Why the U.S. Government Sued Genshin Impact for MILLIONS

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I NEVER THOUGHT I’D SEE THE DAY, BUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOW OFFICIALLY A GENSHIN HATER. THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT UPON REFERRAL FROM THE FTC HAS GONE AFTER ITS DEVELOPPER OVER CHILD PROTECTION LAWS AND DARK PATTERN MONETIZATION MECHANICS, THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS COULD BE MASSIVE FOR THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY, HOW WILL HOYOVERSE’S RESPONSE AFFECT THE ENTIRE GAMES INDUSTRY?

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50 thoughts on “Why the U.S. Government Sued Genshin Impact for MILLIONS”

  2. That's stupid as hell. It doesn't trick people at all, you can view to details on what your chances are for the contents of the gacha. If they can't control themselves then that is their own discipline problem and if they're using their parent's card, that is a parenting issues on top of that.

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  3. If the FTC ACTUALLY cared about kids protection this much, they would also follow suite and use this to nuke ANY game with lootboxes. I swear to god if they don't end up using this as an excuse to FINALLY pull down EA I will be PISSED.

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  8. I love how the FTC could've gone after so many other game companies like riot, ea, etc…but they chose hoyoverse…i wouldnt blame them if they said sure you morons heres 20 mil now fuck off and then decided to go all out on the game finally. The u.s government is an absolute joke.

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  9. EA, Valve, Etc all have lootboxes… But obviously they go for a Chinese company instead. It's not about helping children, it's about going for China specifically.

    Like what about TF2? The game that popularized this in the first place? I love TF2 but I can agree it's just as bad, but obviously they don't care much to go after their own corporations as harshly as they do to outright attack other countries.

    I'd be happy if lootboxes just disappeared honestly.

    ohnepixel would be sad tho lol

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  15. “Stood little chance of winning” is crazy. Yeah, it’s an insane amount of money to c6 something, but you can actually calculate the maximum you need to spend to get there, unlike some games (CS:GO) where you can’t calculate it because there is no pity system. Are they both predatory? Yeah, but it’s crazy they go after genshin and not CS:GO or smth.

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  17. Its kinda well known, but not explicitly stated there is a soft pity system too. Which for those who don't know about it, could be very mislead.

    The chance that you get a 5star char is way lower in the earlier pulls (below ~74) and jumps up signficantly to above ~30% or higher(90.9-99.9% near the 80s pull mark.)

    That rate they give out is correct technically because it is consolidated odds, but it is very misleading because the odds are different per pull depending on how many pulls you did before and skewed VERY heavily after pulling a significant amount.

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  22. This lawsuit is warrented. The facts within it are valid because Genshin is a Gacha directed towards children (and adults). Even though adults play it and it attracts creeps of all walks of life play it, it doesn't change the fact that the style is appealing to children. It's a video game for goodness sake. Where they fail is that they didn't, don't, and it seems to me, REFUSE to penalize EA for their mirco transactions. Since I was in my single digits, now run my course a couple decades later, not once have a seen EA sweat and squirm under government scrutiny. That it's a 'international" company makes it wrong? Oh please. EA kills the game companies they absorb and destroy the creativity of its workers. Like a gaming Disney. Go after them next with this energy as well.

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  24. I don't think Genshin is doing anything particularly illegal but I do think the model of having weapons be in their own gacha pools is scum behavior. Not only do people feel compelled to spend on the character gacha, but then they have to spend more on the weapon gacha. It's a disgusting, predatory model. Extremely profitable yes, but disgusting.

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  28. Honestly this seems more like "Only I'm allowed to do this to my citizens unless I allow you to and get money from it." The American game industry does the same thing and even more expensively at times too all while giving little in return EA is just the leading example even outside the gaming industry it happens too, Apple is expensive and often times you have to spend more to get or accessories and lets not even start on how you have to pay for Apple Music and Cloud Storage. Lets look art the fact some Americans are going to grow up and like Gambling isn't that what Las Vegas is for? To make money off the poor souls who choose to play. They dodge around terms because they don't want to implicate THEIR companies. It's all to control the flow of money. Anything they can't make money from is a problem.

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  30. I'm also suspicious about double standard because Hoyo is a Chinese company and rolling my eyes cuz EA and co aren't bothered (yet). But…..some people defending Genshin way too hard in this comment section. Even if the decision was ("potentially") biased this time. This is what should be happening and should have happened a long time ago. And we should all wish that the FTC can continue to crack down (hopefully harder) on gacha and similarly predatorial practices in games. In fact. If you are a gamer you should try to push them to apply the same treatment to others asap. They are a government agency. Surely they have other targets and can have multiples. So I don't really get why some people are acting like even if there wasn't obvious bias due to the political situation, the FTC could focus on only one bad apple and should.

    Yes. Genshin may be a bit better then EA. But. The thing is that is setting the bar in hell. They are BOTH horrible and use tons of shady psychological tricks and some practices from casino and slot machines as well as FOMO. To trick people into buying, especially vulnerable ones. Being free to play is also a manipulation tactics, so you stay around longer and it increases the chance you spend money. And mind you. Everything is made from the ground up to encourage addictive behaviours and make you feel pressured to spend money. Everything. Once again it's similar to a casino.

    I wish more people looked into the psychology of lootboxes and gacha mechanics in general. Because (very) rarely is a game made better by having them. Only worse. Voluntarily. If you don't believe me look into it. And you will learn all the tricks game designer have to implement to make your gaming experience worse in every way and pressure you to buy. A good starting point is a video by goukigod "Designing Addiction: The Twisted Psychology Of Game Design", and the one by Just a Fat Boi "How Gacha design ruined Genshin Impact and breeds toxicity".

    Yes. Ruined. Please at least watch the last video by Just a Fat Boi. It's well made and lay out better where many of Genshin recurrent problems (game feel like a chores and isn't fun at all anymore but you keep coming back) come from.

    Which is why I'm sorry but I can't stop shaking my head at some of those comments saying Genshin is better then EA because they're free to play or show the rate or whatnot. And therefore the FTC should focus only on the latter and giving me mad "defend the multi billion dollar company" vibe sometimes.

    MiHoyo, EA, Riot, Valve. All should get slapped. And even if the reasons for it are not the best. A big fish (which Genshin def is, another reason why they may have been targeted to "encourages" others smaller companies to get on tracks without having to go after all of them) getting such treatment is still a victory.

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  34. I don't believe ANY organization of any kind that claims to do things "for the children".

    Some boomer wanted to get into Trumps good graces and decided to sue Genshin Impact for the stupidest reason imaginable. No, I don't like gacha. No, I am not defending Hoyo, they have enough money for lawyers to defend them and they won't need me to do it for them. Besides 20 million dollars is literally chump change for them, they will make that back in 2 days.

    So yeah, Fawk Hoyo and their predatory FOMO gacha crap and fawk the FTC boomer that thinks that just because a game has a child-like character in it, instantly means its for kids.
    Yeah, the movie Robocop has a kid in it so that means that movie is 100% for kids, right? What a stewpid piece of crap and that is precisely the problem of old, senile boomers trying to legislate over things they don't understand and are not capable to understand in a million years, they need to stay in their lane.

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  39. west devs common practice is to sell the base game for around $60, then season pass, then loot boxes aka gatcha. east devs f2p base game. most west online games has gatcha, dota2, cs2, etc. pathetic usa politicians 😅

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