People ARE MAD!? Raiden Shogun / Baal has some players upset in Genshin Impact. From her element, to partners, to effectiveness and more. Does electro NEED a rework!? And is Baal Worth it?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pfm5w7/mihoyo_explanation_for_baals_burst_not_working/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pg3krm/beidou_aside_isnt_the_real_problem_that_raiden/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pg26au/why_is_everyone_focused_on_beidou_when_the_real/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pg3nx5/i_hope_people_are_also_angry_about_how_bad_sara_is/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/pfrid7/why_has_mihoyos_balancing_been_so_bad/
In CN community, they said that beidou + Raiden is actually too good, so mihoyo decide to nerf that before release her in the live server
The irony that a lot of people like to use that her element limits her but doesn’t realize that every archon from here on out is gonna have these same issue.
Zhongli and venti are apart of neutral elements which are specifically designed for the purpose of being used in any team
Baal,Murata,the tsaritsa and the dendro/hydro archons are all gonna be locked into specific comps and won’t be as flexible.
Depending on how dendro works it might be slightly worse than electro here
me being someone who hasn't bothered with his Beidou
Oh damn, what a shame.
I always felt that the resonance needed something a little more concrete. Something as simple as +20% Crit. Damage maybe paired with 20% Energy Recharge. Electro-charged maybe can be a one time hit like all other reactions and be a stun instead (electricity messing with your nervous system if you will). If we're not protected it's pretty much a stun on us since the ticks are often enough to prevent you from doing things.
However, this can overlap with Overload in a way if you can proc it fast enough. The little guys get bounced away, but any larger/heavier enemies get staggered which is just like a stun. On those guys it can almost be a stun lock.
I felt like Anemo resonance could have been 10% across the board. Atk Spd, Mv Spd, Stamina, and Skill CD.
I don't think about it too much. It can be disappointing at times, but I have fun with what I got and the current state of the game. While MHY has said it's been looking into changing it they haven't really tried anything since saying that. They also said they were going to smooth out the transition of Eula's 1-2, but that hasn't happened either and it's been many versions later. Probably since Eula's out of the spotlight and no longer the shiny new character people probably forgot about it and they were counting on that. However, Electro's problems are a game wide issue and will persist until the game dies unless it is changed.
Electro Elemental Resonant is literally a joke, easy way to buff just take way the 5s CD is sufficient enough to let Electro become super good in battery
I love how now we need to have people threaten other humans to have some sort satisfaction from a video game. Not saying some things don’t need to be to be changed but if this happens every time people think there’s a problem, then it makes me wonder if Genshin would continue
I hope the community gets mihoyo to buff electro as a whole or buff her at minimum. Electro is lacking , we understand the reactions aren't strong but for that reason their flat numbers should be higher.
Maybe buff all electro reactions and or give us a 2x damage like vaporize and melt /. (For example maybe with electro and dendro = dust/degrade).
I think if they enabled the resonances to do more it could be alright. Like 2x hydro boosts hydro damage AND gives healing bonus, pyro is pyro bonus AND party attack, and electro gets the damage bonus as well as a different resonance. Now if you’re running two electro units you don’t need to worry about electro application, I think it needs damage changes entirely.
When you vaporize or melt you are wiping one element off with the other and dealing bonus damage on that hit. Electro has that BUT it’s problem is that all of its combos are AOEs and spread an element. Honestly keep the superconduct and overload but maybe raise their strength so it’s viable and lower the aoe (also the knock back so pyro units can get something done).
Either raising the strength outright or let overload and the other combos have more additional affects. Like physical resistance down nice, maybe elemental resistance down for overload or supercharged just something noticeable that makes electro viable as the main attack units.
Bruhh who hates baal???
Not Baal
What we need is an electro buff especially like the resonance since geo is great at providing shields so they added a resonance where the shield strength is increased and since electro is good at producing particles they could something like "after getting an elemental particle the team receives and atk bonus by 25%" just simple as that like.
It really bummed be out how Bediou interaction doesn't work. It kinda messed with my plans so now I have to come up with a different comp different to what I was preparing 😅
I don't have Zhongli so what would be a nice replacement?
I hope they buff Raiden and maybe, just maybe, they buff Yoimiya too.
Just maybe…
Yeah the electro reactions need a buff, give superconduct the universal DEF reduction back and Idk what the other two reactions could do, I was thinking as electro is a battery element, what they could do is make electro resonance generate white particles so to benefit any elements and make these particles be generated faster, like even once every 3 seconds can work, I do also like the idea I was hearing of buffing attack speed, that could also be very nice
This was MHY’s big chance to fix Electro during Inazuma’s release. Maybe it will be after-the-fact when the community rages at them again like with Geo.
Meh~ when new character is released, its always like this. I might need more popcorn
Baal is the woman in the nightmare trailer with the umbrella. Ei is the Raiden Shogun.
It would be nice if they just fixed Beidou's ult to proc on attack because its a shame she cant really be used with Xiao either.
many people saying things revolving around "shes fine just buff electro". do yall think its okay for her E to not proc on shields? her E does tiny damage and also useless on shields on top of electro being a shit element, thats a problem dont u think?
They do that same thing in WoW and number of other games. It's marketing move to release update with problem that they will fix after to double dip on character, equipment, weapons, whatever they release.
He just looks sad
I do agree that electro needs a general improvement or maybe a touch to the electro resonance.
However, in terms of Raiden's mechanic itself I think is perfectly fine. Personally I think she was intended to be a hybrid of support/sub-dps. She still works with beidou comp if you look both of them as a support and have an alternative main-dps and use raiden only for short time burst-dps.
People yelling about beidou/raiden comp just reminds me of early stage of this game when people were treating Bennett as cheap copy of Diluc, only looking at his main-dps potential.
I enjoy her and I don't really feel bad about getting her she does well with cryo and hydro comps
Not everyone
Got her c4 with her weapon r1. Right now her main drawbacks are her element and being useless on abyss mage shields and heralds.
If I made any changes right now:
1. I’d fix her and albedo to allow them to actually get procs when hitting shields so they are not useless for those fights.
2. Let her work with beidou (I don’t use beidou but I see no reason to limit her not to)
3. Buff the element itself so the element is fixed.
I personally think with these changes alone she wouldn’t need anymore tweaking. Biggest issues are the shields and electro element and the beidou not working with her is just silly and should be changed. She is a great character who only has any issues due to her element and the shield issue her and albedo share. I really hope they focus more on those two things if they touch her. She is fun despite these issues and I do enjoy her. She has a lot of future potential.
It is weird but, it feels very weak this Shogun, maybe my build is no good, have 2000 attack, 160% Dmg and 113% electro bonus, but just Hits 3k or 2k per basic…
they really should fix her elemental skill too. aside from it's super weak damage, weak elemental reaction, it's also completely useless against shields.
We need at least one broken electro dps…
Good. Shes broken. Electro is broken. Electro and baal needs to be fixed.
Why not make electrocharged decrease enemy's electro res? I mean it would just make sense, right? wet enemies becoming condutive thus making them more suspectible to electricity?
like turn electrocharged into a debuff rather than just additional (linear) aoe dmg and stagger. I'd honestly be happy with that
Each archon has their own unique benefit. Venti has top cc, zhongli has best shields.. Even though she's electro she does extremely well as a battery and dmg buffer and I see that as the main reason to be on my team.
imagine, electro god which gives electo powers to others, dose not work with some characters with that power, lol + electo resonance sucks!
I'll tell you what's more upsetting….in my 90 pulls I didn't get one Sara… instead I got 7 Sucroses, 3 Xianglings, 1 Favonious Spear and the electro subarchon…Keqing
I hit 62k with her burst vs the pyro regisvine. I must say, i was shocked
Those stats… maaaaan!
I think she doesn't need that much ER to be fully functional (200% is just right for her energy generation), but when you already have that much Atk and Crit ratio… it's just so ridiculous I can't finish the sentence…
I'm happy I was lucky to build her with about 2300 Atk (not including Primordial Jade Spear buff), 50:160 Crit ratio and 200% ER… but it only provides me 40% Electro dmg bonus, as I'm using Atk% goblet…
I assume this is the difference between what "whales" and normal players can achieve in terms of "numbers", but I'm curious to try the f2p alternative (The Catch) as soon as I manage to fish what is needed to get it and its refinements… so my only 5* weapon can eventually return to my Hu Tao XD
c1 baal at lvl 40 doing 40k burst damage with only benny boost and lvl 40 Deathmatch. Bad? I think not.
Ngl, I got all electro units in the game ( my main carry is Keqing and Razor) and she works with them but not as good as I was hoping for. She doesn't give me a huge reason to swap anyone on my main team because I cant utilize her full kit currently with any electro carry. Would do more testing when I get the catch but for now, would stick with Fischl (c5) on my team and probably use her on a Eula team when I get her on a rerun.
I see the "air quotes" are back again lmao
That 5 second Electro resonance cooldown is just a slap in the face & super ironic, considering how Electro is supposed to generate a ton of reactions super-fast.
I think one of the main gripes with Raiden-Beidou (don’t quote me though, just heard this somewhere, i’m not sure), was that their tandem worked in beta testing, & a lot of people were wondering if it was a bug that it wasn’t present on release or intentional.
Raiden’s fun, she’s strong enough, not ground-breaking, definitely not up to the hype, like another archon we know on initial release.
She’s fun enough to play. I rate her 8 out of 10 Sayus on the fun factor, just because burst-spamming everything on the map is fun. (I see you ‘lil hillichurl, here’s a nuke for breakfast).
Who knows…this could be Mihoyo’s way of setting-up a future Electro buff, just like with Zhongli & the Geo Resonance buff? shrugs
Good thing I guess, i don’t really get hyped…. Unless I hear Noelle KFC waitress skin lol
It’s interesting that you mentioned Geo + Raiden, since I’ve tried running Raiden + Beidou with Noelle, & it pretty much works since I don’t have to worry that Raiden’s not gonna proc Beidou’s attacks since Noelle is doing most of the attacking. Raiden’s just there to refund both Noelle & Beidou’s burst during her own swap window. Doesn’t really stack Resolve that fast though…
The meta-version would be Eula for Noelle, which is probably another one of the CN player’s issues: Limited team-building, as she doesn’t work for most of the most-used teams, or she doesn’t make the meta teams better than they already are.
PS. Love that you’ve fully embraced the anime hair-style. Burn that beanie!
I was completely disappointed with Baal + Noelle:
From Noelle perspective you want Baal to ult first to give her energy. From Baal perspective you want Noelle to ult first to boost Baal's E -> Ult. But I'd you ult on Noelle first, you are wasting 7 seconds. Also if you want ult on Noelle first, what if you don't have energy, so now you use underpowered Baal's ult first? As a result, those two characters don't synergies together at all!
Hope chinese playerbase gets pissed enough they rework electro. Maybe make it a stacking reaction or smt. Anyway I still like Baal bcs she's got cute mommy energy going ＼(°o°)／