Discussing my opinion on who is still the most broken character in genshin impact. People are welcome to agree or disagree, itâs all good!
Timestamps:
0:00 how the âdebateâ started
2:39 a wild zajef appears
5:05 why zajef prefers xingqiu
7:00 different audiences
7:58 most new DPS want bennett
11:10 oppressive?
12:40 literally optimal vs versatility perspective
13:20 xingqiu vs bennett and zhongli
16:02 xingqiu has no teams anymore?
17:26 talking about national builds
18:13 xingqiu quad vape with sac sword
19:31 was asked âwho is the most underrated character?â
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Definitely agree on benny, kazu n xl being the best units even now
zajef's xq glazing is getting out of hand đ
(I think casuals that suck at the game would struggle even with xq n want to play zl instead if they wanted more comfort while veterans/'try-hards' would play smth like yelan instead for higher dmg)
Bennett is just so strong that people are just in denial and coping that neuvillette doesnt need bennett = bennett not meta
Xingqiu is great because he can fulfill almost any role that you want a hydro character for, but there's also always another hydro character that can replace him and do his job better. Bennett is great because he's the best buffer in the game, and the other buffers either do his job worse or do his job in a rare niche, so you almost never find yourself using two buffers where one of them isn't Bennett unless a character literally can't use attack buffs.
Also worth adding: I think Zajef overrates Xingqiu's defensive utility for more casual players, this has been a pretty consistent thing for a long time. In my opinion his DR and slight healing is not enough for the average abyss 12 player in most scenarios, someone who isn't super knowledgeable or inclined to get really good at the game, just trying to clear, you still want another healer or shielder. It's still useful but I would not consider it as a sufficient defensive option. It doesn't really compare to just slotting in Zhongli for example
People don't understand basic things in Genshin. People literally believe that melt and vape have "fallen off" when it's literally not the case. They are strong as ever and very powerful. Literally look at Arlecchino's vape teams. Strong AF. Typical Genshin brain tbh. Bennett didn't "fall off" ever. In Sumeru, he was less valuable since those units didn't want Pyro because it screwed over the reaction, or, they scaled from EM or something, where he couldn't help with. In every expansion, there's always been units that work fantastically with him. Wanderer loves him, and he came out during Sumeru. If Dehya was worth a damn, she probably would have loved him too but she sucks. Bennett is great for nearly every Inazuma, Mondstadt, Liyue, and Fontaine unit. He's arguably gotten STRONGER because he's usually paired with Furina, who is paired with many DPS units. He is incredibly cheap to build, but can output solid nukes if built correctly. He can tick heal for 10k. His pyro circle can help Kazuha double swirl in vape. He's going to get stronger and stronger. 1.2k attack for free is no joke. People are objectively WRONG if they believe Bennett will ever be weak. He just does too much to ever be considered weak or not needed. Clorinde is going to use him for her Overload teams, among other things.
Xingqiu is simply more replaceable. I donât need him anymore. But Bennet is always lingering no matter how much I hate him.
I agree with you
Kazuha, XL, Bennett are still on top
These 3 people are soo essential and actually makes so many teams feel soo much worse if absent.
I understand why Zaj speaks soo highly of XQ but man the amount of times I go like
I wish I had an extra Bennet and XL is much more than I do for XQ
Kazuha, I cope with Venti, if I am desperate for CC or Sucorse if I need the buffs, but really Kazuha is soo much better.
for the longest time i felt like my account really needed a second Xingqiu and when i got yelan my account felt much better. but these days even with a c2 furina i still want a second bennett cuz he feels so needed for so many of my favorite characters and characters i plan to pull. so yeah even if you have strong hydros youll still want a bennett like character that cant take your damage to the next level
I like Jamieâs content not only because his niche is what I enjoy about the game, but because his videos are well edited and really well spread out!
If you're gonna say that about Benett, I feel Nahida is the same…
i think there's a fair argument for other characters to be the best, but the truth of the matter is that bennett really doesn't have a replacement anywhere. that's what makes him the best in my eyes, but of course there will be several people arguing for a character like xingqiu, kazuha, or furina (and i do think that's also a fair conclusion depending on the way you're looking at the question). i also agree with the other commenter that said people tend to underrate characters they dislike (many of which happen to dislike bennett)
bennett is a piece of shit character that makes every team he's in more annoying than it needs to be. can't wait til his ass gets powercrept
Yeah Bennett is the top tier with Xingqiu, Xiangling and Fischl imo. But you can now build an 8 character Spiral Abyss team without him, which wasn't possible before Dendro.
Imo strongest character is the one that would have the biggest impact on the game if it would be deleted. If hoyo delete XQ from the game, we will just play furina and yelan, we wouldnt even notice the lack of XQ. Same goes for Yelan. Kazuha is interesting koz we would really miss him, but there is still sucrose… Its a noticable downgrade in many many teams, unlike swapping between yelan and XQ, but its still something usable. There is no bennet replacement for most hypercarries. Some can play Furina + Xianyun and have a similar or sometimes better performance (Xiao, Navia) but the rest would fall off a clif and they would be miles behind the neuvilette and the dendro teams.
bennet is better than xq beceaus yelan and furina exist
I truly Dk how u even argue against this point, why would u even have this take if itâs not optimal, cause if itâs not optimal ucan play whatever u want, but in terms of optimal dmg like 90% of the cast need Bennet
Regarding that title, I disagree. I do not think Bennett is the most valuable character anymore. However, I still do believe that he is in the top 5 for best supports in the game. Maybe if Natlan doubles down on atk, he'll rise to the very top once again. But for now, he's just not there.
I think that even if the pyro archon releases, rather than seeing people replace Bennett entirely with her (if she has supportive capabilities), they'll most likely play her alongside Bennett.
As a new player, a C1 Bennett with Sapwood Blade has much more value than a C2 Xingqiu without a high refine Fav or Sac sword. I guess you could put the pipe on him, but I have Furina.
Murata is the only one who can dethrone
him, benny boy is way to strong.
What is bro on? Ive been a c1 wriothesley main since he came out and i rarely use bennet. I main arlecchino now and I dont use Bennet at all. I 36* every abyss. It's like you spread sheet bros want to pretend the game is harder than it is
Noelle needs Furina and not Ben. She is kinda unique in that regard. It's nice that Furina is the only valuable character that Noelle wants to horde. The others can go on the other side. Furina also works with her spin to win – very important cus more Fan Fair.
Not sure why benette has any popularity but hes such trash hes lv 1 and mines 24/7
To define who is the strongest you'd have to set clear criteria.
Bennett is currently the most irreplaceable character in the game.
Xingqiu is the most complete character.
Furina is the most "luxurious" character to elevate most teams even further.
Depending on what matters the most to you, any of them can pretend to be the strongest.
I think for a lot of people, the idea of playing the same three 4 star units that have been in the game since launch is just boring.
I see both sides, I know how valuable Bennett, Xiangling and Xingqiu are, but don't want to always play them myself and don't think they're the best units.
Personally I don't think many characters are THAT Bennett reliant. A few maybe. Arlecchino has great synergy with Bennett and he's invaluable for speed running, but outside of that she doesn't need him and can clear anything in the game without him.
I disagree on XL being top 3. It would be Bennett, Kazuha, Furina same level hands down imo. All carries are up there because of these supports.
Bennett provides: High atk to on field, Heal, self Pyro app
Kazuha : VV, Medium Dmg%, Grouping, upper mid aoe damage, infusion off-field app.
Furina : Universal High Dmg%, High off-field sub dmg, ok hydro app.
I love the funny workarounds the game has to try to make Bennett less desirable.
Most recently it was how they made Furinaâs fanfare stacks to be less synergistic but not being able to counter a high healing build of Bennett.
Im kinda proud at this point that the bennett on my day one account is only lvl 20 for the extra pull, I'll never play him
I like how you just embraced being the furina slanderist tc/speedrunner. Good vid man
Classic case of kill the enemy before they kill you vs If they cant kill you, you will eventually kill them
Zajeff was coping with xingqiu against Bennet zhongli
I feel like he's at the perfect level of skill issue where he can't clear without xingqiu's little crutch but doesn't need a healing or shielding big crutch
But for people he theory crafts for. They can't survive with only xingqiu. So now he's theory crafting for just himself
My account will be dead without Benny if I need bigger numbers to overcome contents đ
Like no, don't ask me to pull for 5 stars lmao
ALL of my irls who plays genshin play it incredibly casually, and they all really like xingqui (mostly because theyre partial to dendro team). Tho I agree that xingqui is less valuable in vape now AND vape is the strongest archetype in the game (since 1.0 even).
Bennet tho, dude carried my abyss from the beginning and hes so cheap to build. The hate he got from being versatile and long lasting is weird to me but people enjoy different things i guess!
Not playing a shielder in Nuev teams makes it feel trash. Especially this abyss. Smoking on Hu Tao. I have never used bennet on her team and until recently, with Furina it was just bad. Next do the Zhongli reliant characters. đ will be a very similar list. Copellia in every single abyss is the biggest contributor to the downfall of Cryo and Anemo dps. That said the only teams i been able to speed run this abyss chamber 1 and 2 in 30 seconds are you guessed it Bennet teams. Litteraly the only reason Hu Tao on the other side can clear comfortably.
I hate Bennett. But I also think Bennett is still the goat.
I also think it's not by accident anymore, you could argue early on in the game that they just overshot his buffing, but now I think the fact they keep him not only relevant but NECESSARY for most atk scalers AND spam enemies like Coppelia in abyss is a clear design choice. They could design atk scalers that don't benefit much from his flat atk buff but nope they double, triple down on him and make sure you suffer from his pyro aura. They want to create the need for a "new bennett" that they'll sell you in Natlan.
im sorry but this podcast/conversation was sooo much better to listen than the one with jstern. it was such a hostile environment with him.
Glad someone else thinks Bennet is the goat. From a casual players perspective they want their favourite char to meet the DPS threshold to 36 star regardless of resets. I think that Bennet overall contributes more to that goal than XQ will, especially when considering F2P or casual investment. I also think that XQ is also a charcter that is fairly reliant on Bennet being present in vape, whereas Bennet isn't reliant on XQ being present.
yeah i hate that dirty stinky dripless dipshit bennett and xiangling bc shes so cringe sometimes, but there's literally no one else that does what they do, thats the only reason why not using them feels bad, if you dont use furina you have xq and yelan for example
Hi. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on my personal argument regarding this topic, if you find the interest/time Jamie.
I'm somebody who believes that Xingqiu and Bennett are the two best characters in the game, and I think it's pretty close all things considered. That said, I personally use the tiebreaker that Hydro works in more archetypes overall than Pyro does. Bennett's lack of "oppressive" presence (to use your term, correct me if I'm using it wrong) in Dendro teams is just enough of a knock against him to make Xingqiu the king in my book, even though I still believe they're close. Of course, contextually, Bennett obviously outshines Xingqiu in plenty of situations by a significant margin, which is why I insist that they're close when comparing them to the rest of the cast.
What are your thoughts on this? Xingqiu being Hydro vs Bennett being Pyro when looking through the lens of overall character versatility is the crux of my argument in my own head. Do you have any interesting insight/thoughts to share on this idea? Cheers buddy.
while i do agree furina is oversold by a lot of people and both bennett and xingqiu are simultaneously over and underrated by different groups, i think zajef's point that the character who provides the most in the most situations is going to change based on what you look for holds true
there is no true objectivity when it comes to naming a unit the best or the strongest in a general sense because the comparisons become too arbitrary
some people who focus on things like dolphin investment speed clears will value the essentially uncontested slot bennett fills in the teams that have high reliance on him for their optimal output
generalist horizontal investment accounts not focused on vertical investment speedrunning like what zajef covers and values will end up prioritizing the role versatility and consolidation a unit like xingqiu provides to so many different teams that arent looking to just fill the slot of an atk buff; hydro app is a lot more generally valuable when it comes to many meta teams at f2p/low spending investment
so while theres absolutely an argument to be made both ways as far as xingqiu or bennett being the strongest overall unit, i do think the crux of the issue lies in the fact that the argument is arbitrary given its subjectivity and the fact its difficult to really compare the value they provide in a way that accounts for subjectivity
both are great, everyone will value them differently based on the kind of gameplay they value
At 15:40 When Zajeff said he would rather play Xingqiu over Zhongli for a 'casual' clear, I knew he has lost it. If he really thinks Xingqiu is more casual friendly or comfortable than Zhongli (when both teams would clear anyways), then he's just glazing Xingqiu for no reason, it's pure copium. Especially including the fact that in this specific Abyss the Cryo Kenki and Copellius freezes you whenever you E on XQ. And it's on Arlechinno no less, who appreciates Zhongli more, as even with dmg reduction, she can't heal on demand so will lose HP regardless.
The take is so horrendously bad that I have just given up on taking that guy seriously whenever he even mentions Xingqiu anymore. Like whenever he mentions him good for a character, my mind literally thinks, "He's probably lying again, let me close this vid/stream right now"
I don't like either Bennett or Xingqiu but Bennett is better for me.
Xingqiu not only has tough competition, he's also a dps loss to his competition. I haven't played him since Furina release.
Bennett, on the other hand, still have some teams in my account, mainly Arlecchino.
The fact that I can't bench Bennett even if i hate him says Bennett is the better character.
Every characters release starting from wanderer till now works well with furina and she is included in basically everyone best team dps wise 4 star or 5 star, support or on/off field dps with the exception of kirara and maybe chiori/arle. She even make older units viable, you say diluc really want bennett, but without xianyun and/or furina he just straight up bad if you're just running bennett kazuha with diluc. So i just don't see how bennett could be better than furina since he also actively make your team more fraglie with his self pyro app
Bennet is the new patriarchy
1:07 that's unfortunate that you highlighted that comment in the video but didn't show your tier list of characters that quote on quote "want" Bennett which was basically half of the of the on-fielder units lmao
I play Arlecchino without Bennett. I use Chevreuse, Fischl, & Beidou.
Really hope that the pyro archon or sovereign gets to be the benny powercreep. All hoyo has to do is take away circle impact, but maintain/improve on the buffs/heals and we good
Heâs very good, but I want him to be powercreept. I want him to powercreept by the pyro Archon; because itâs fit so much, and that how he would be powercreept by her:
1- Making her forces all of your teammates to deal damage, and Bennett canât deal damage, and the Pyro Archon is so strong that a character that donât synergies with her is having an âissueâ or âflaw.â Also forcing all of your teammates; to deal damage is a flaw to Furina; because she requires a healer (a character that doesnât deal damage). And thatâs good; to reduce Furina's universal usages.
2- doesnât apply a pyro on the on-field character.
3- Buff all of your teammates, unlike Bennett who buff just the on-field one.
4- her buff is a damage% buff to synergies with the none-attack; scalers.
5- having a useful elemental skill, that deals a ton of damage; thatâs higher than vaporise Xiangling.
6- not a circle impact-buff; depended.
7-making her design so beautiful, and having very good animations, and very hyper up (by fighting her to Capitano clearly); so a lot of people will pull for her, and forget Bennett.
8- making Natlan characters donât use Bennett (by any way); to reduce his universal usages.
9- and finally making her super lucky. (by surviving from Capitano clearly)
And⌠By her; it would by another Bennett's unlucky dayâŚ
I always considered Bennett to be the best character until Dendro came out where I then dropped him to number 2 after Xingqiu. Both Bennett and Xingqiu are the only characters that are super important to a team's DPS while SIMULTANEOUSLY covering for the defensive and/or healing aspect of team building.
And the only reason Bennett is "irreplaceable" is because they haven't created the 5star version of him yet. If Yelan didn't exist, Xingqiu would have that "irreplaceable" quality as well since many teams are reliant on a consistent high-volume source of off field hydro.
And Xingqiu > Yelan assuming f2p investment because of defensive utility and because there are times when Xingqiu's extra hydro app is necessary and Yelan's app isn't good enough. For the situations where Yelan is better than Xingqiu, Xingqiu is still very close and good enough to replace her, but for the situations where Xingqiu is better than Yelan, Yelan can range from slightly worse (generally the hyperbloom related teams) to significantly worse (any team where you'd lose vapes with Yelan).
I feel a lack of Furina way more than a lack of Bennett. Furina > Bennett.