As a player who enjoys waifus the most in this game but still pulls for meta characters to maintain a well-established and productive account, I can tell you that the situation with waifu players asking meta players to stop telling them how to play is quite different from what the meta players are doing. Meta players are literally dictating what and how to play, while waifu players are simply asking them to stop that behavior. They’re not telling anyone what to play or how to play it; they just want to be left alone to enjoy their preferred style. I can’t understand how you came to that conclusion, as those are two very different actions!
One really annoying trait some people have is calling one character "amazing oh my god the goat", and the character next to them "dog water and you're an idiot if you even think about playing them", when the difference between the two is 5 seconds in the abyss timer. It's very easy to set a new baseline for yourself when you have your account with a c2 nahida , c3 furina c6 faruzan c2 cloud retainer and then dis anyone trying to do their own thing. I have a friend who plays freminet i give him advice every now and again regarding what HE wants to do but I never question what he likes to play.
Tbh I’ve met quite a few players in game who have 0 chill about non meta units. Like when I’m random matching for domains or sometimes people I help (usually kids tbh) in co op people will critique my characters like venti or sigewinne. I don’t ever really hear it from any content creators tho, so I’m surprised they were being critiqued over this.
I think the important part of this really is that people need to remember that sometimes: no one asked. I realize social self awareness is a sorely lacking field for Genshin players, but that's kind of the crux of the issue shown off in the video. People need to mind their own damn business. You are not going to explode if some weirdo is running around with a Xinyan team with absolutely zero synergy and is unreceptive to any form of advice. Okay, maybe what they're doing is going to hurt them long term. Did they ASK you for help? Again, I know I'm asking a lot from Genshin players, but seriously guys, it shouldn't be this hard to understand grade school level social cues.
On the same token, okay maybe some asshat did decide to be an asshole (because that is legitimately what you are if you are bothering people unprovoked instead of minding your own business) and do the whole stunlock meme because you main Yae Miko and they like Fischl. That does not in turn mean you get to yell at every meta enjoyer that happens to come across you. Moral of the story? People are idiots on both sides. Frankly, there shouldn't even be arguments. Someone comes in and does something? Either click the block button or type back off and ignore any attempt at engagement beyond that point. It's really that simple.
Pretty much any semi-well built team can clear the vast majority of content in the game, with the exceptions of floors 11 and 12 of the abyss. That's only (at most) 400 primogems per patch that you might be missing because you aren't using "meta". IMO it's negligible so use resin to build whatever characters you want.
The whole concept of waifu over meta or fun is kinda flawed How long can one possibly play a character cuz it looks good but plays like shit or isn't fun Ganyu prime example Just how long can someone look at a character without seeing what the characters does I love good looking characters also but I also wanna have fun playing them even if they're not that strong There's a limit to how far I'm personally willing to go just cuz a character 'looks good' I'd say I'm 'play to fun'
I like the challenge of making weaker or less popular characters as powerful as possible. I build the weak ones up. The powerful ones don't need building up. Understanding meta helps to do that.
Waifu vs Meta drama is indeed stupid, but I also blame Genshin for not giving more proper care and attention to game mechanics and character kits. Look no further than the rate-up 4-stars. You'd think they'd consider which characters support the banner 5-star, but they literally pick via a dart board. Don't believe me? Why the hell was Mika released during an Ayaka and Shenhe rerun instead of Eula?
I also can't defend Eula either, despite her being my favorite character and only C6 5-star, since even with Furina, I still feel like I clear floor 12 of the abyss by the skin of my teeth. Great video, btw.
7:14, yup.. lol c6r5 Klee main and everyyyy char that comes out I'm like "DOES SHE MAKE MY KLEE BETTER"? (I use her with c6 Zhongli, c2 Emilie, c6 Yelan/c6 Xiangling.)
Lol the cope is real. I just have always liked the "mascot" chars of games a lot.. Pikachu is my fav Pokemon etc etc and Klee was popular, first char I saw from Genshin.
Just subbed to this channel as well, good to see the content again!
i think the main thing being flung around right now is the term "Must pull" alongside overhyped/overrated characters. Especially atm. A lot of people are seemingly thinking you should pull for characters like Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen, etc. because of how good they are. I love Furina, she's my favorite character, but she is by no means needed to play the game, same for Kazuha and Xilonen. I have no doubt people are gonna reply to this and go "Oh but Kazuha does grouping this, he's comfy that." Ok, cool. Not needed for 99 percent of the game and you can argue about the last percent also. Xilonen looks like a cool character, but again, not really needed to play or get through any of the game.
I actively refuse to pull for two five stars specifically, for various reasons, mainly i dont like them, but i also happen to see a lot of people seeming to think they are needed on your acc or will "Transform your account." which is another term ive seen be used a couple times. Those two being Neuvilette (Everything about him screams boring to me. Same as Zhongli, except Zhongli has shields and is also an archon so I'm likely still gonna pull for him on rerun since i wanna collect all archons.) and Kazuha (I don't care for him, and I will continue to never have him purely to prove he's not needed ever.)
Another thing is that there are many ways to play this game. I mainly do exploration, world quests, I read all the dialogs that only meta players skip, just to get primos and you know – it's fine. If someone just wants to play TCG or make pretty teapott for their waifu, fantastic. I mainly got Wanderer because his skill is helpful in exploration, he's not even build properly. I don't even bother with last floor of the Abyss, that's no fun for me. And I'm having a blast. Still I'm thankful to meta players for their build guids, so my boys will get those chests, 100% exploration rate has to be fulfilled
I totally agree in using characters that you like over meta but you use the term "waifu" in a more abstract way. Im totally againt the "waifu" idea. Thats a problem for me in this game and the main reason that male/female characters ratio is almost 1:2 because of the majority of players being male and wanting to play with their waifu. The existence of waifu audience is the main reason that there is no at all or minimal representation in genshin for muscled males and and ppl of color etc. So thumps down to waifu ideology, thumps up to using characters you like over meta (if you can find one that is)
I'm probably one of the few Eula enjoyers that know she isn't as good compared to other units, but still continue to use her every now and then in hopes of her getting better over time. So far, it's been true. Raiden gave her good off field electro application for superconduct and better energy generation, Mika was a Rosaria sidegrade at best pre Furina, Beacon of the Reed Sea helped manage Eula's crit stats better while having a similar damage output to her signature, and Furina. Need I say more about our favorite hydro steroid support.
To be honest I'm not sure what else she will need to be better, maybe an artifact set for an off field unit that supports her playstyle, but I'm happy with where she is now. In a nutshell, characters that make other characters ridiculously strong might also affect the characters you enjoy playing, so use them to make your character strong.
So yeah, there's my opinion about my favorite physical queen thrown out for the internet to see. Feel free to agree or not.
Edit: I decided removed an entire section taking about how is was mainly coincidental that they also buffed Eula cause I read the other comments in this post talking about how you can use the meta characters to buff your own characters and I share that opinion, but thought that the "it was more coincidence" section wouldn't convey that well.
9:23 I mean… Not realllyyyy. Because like, some character can be strong like Kinich, Mualani, Lyney, Clorinde etc. But because they are on the same level as the other characters they won't necessarily be pulled for. That doesn't make them bad, just less desireable I guess.
Also, I would like to say. Your content on this channel is great, it feels nice to listen to you about something that isn't drama related.
I just wanna say that in 4 years I play this game I have heard more shit from meta players than from waifu enjoyers. While META content creators don't really do that almost every meta player I met was behaving like he was better than everyone who did not play meta or whose characters/teams were not optimised beyond reason. Meanwhile with most waifu enjoyers we would shit on each others' mains jokingly and have no ill intent. But I suppose my experience is still that of a minority of players.
As an Albedo main I actually had people telling me that pulling Albedo is a waste of gems because Chiori is better. I just threw them out of my world 🙂
I think it's not on meta CCs who people were angry on. The only time I found a CC's guide video annoying was when I was a new player and loved kokomi splash I watched a kokomi guide by mtashed. He literally told even if you lov the character, he would recommend not to pull her in a guide video instead of telling how to make her better. So I was not annoyed by CCs that much. The problem was in the comment sections. I know this because I loved kokomi since day 1. And there were lots of players trashing her saying she's trash meta wise. And when I commented to thank in a video which actually made a good kokomi guide, I was met with so many meta players saying she is absolute trash and telling things like you'll definitely regret pulling a weaker Barbara and stuff. And later when I actually played her and got to know that she's actually good, I replied to people who loved kokomi and were thinking if they should pull kokomi or not since all CCs were saying she's trash. I told that person that her AOE hydro application and healing capabilities make her very usable in electro charge and freeze teams which was true at that time. And soooo many people came in just to tell I'm literal trash for spreading lies when they were the ones who were doing it since they never even gave her an opportunity as their favourite CCs told they're trash meta wise. I know they don't count as meta players as they aren't the ones who are actually doing the math. But I would say I hate the meta obsessed people in the community which I realized is a lot during that kokomi release
Noelle is my favorite character. And i have been following all the possible meta ways to make her strong. Now im watching a lot of xilonen analysis to see if shes better than chiori c1 for my noelle team. I pulled furina and yelan to make noelle strong, You can be both and thats awesome.
The issue with waifu/meta is that there are only so many characters released per version. If yours happens to be the few that suck, that'll taint the entire experience. Dehya mains got a teaser before Sumeru even came out, waited until almost the end of the Sumeru cycle and then got shat on. Despite feedback, nothing got fixed. Same with Eula, Cryo units, or any unit that is bad/buggy. Hoyo does not fix characters period and that makes the experience shitty for those who liek said characters.
Also, meta units outsell waifu units for a simple reason: Who pulls for a unit? Both waifu and meta players. Every character is good enough to be a waifu, so if it's meta too of course it'll outsell the non-meta waifu.
C0 Eula player. Although it's rougb for Abyss and i lack good artifacts, i have moved on and just use her for overworld bonking. There are ways to make her better, but i lack primos, the same primos that i have now invested into arlecchino and mualani
The worst case of waifu players idiocy was when hoyo released Dehya in a terrible unusable state and those idiots were saying how they dont care because waifu>>>meta. Yes let's allow hoyo to release terribly designed 5* what can go wrong
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Always agreed on the statement "everyone is "meta" if you invest good enough", so you'd never be forced to play characters you don't like.
As a player who enjoys waifus the most in this game but still pulls for meta characters to maintain a well-established and productive account, I can tell you that the situation with waifu players asking meta players to stop telling them how to play is quite different from what the meta players are doing. Meta players are literally dictating what and how to play, while waifu players are simply asking them to stop that behavior. They’re not telling anyone what to play or how to play it; they just want to be left alone to enjoy their preferred style. I can’t understand how you came to that conclusion, as those are two very different actions!
One really annoying trait some people have is calling one character "amazing oh my god the goat", and the character next to them "dog water and you're an idiot if you even think about playing them", when the difference between the two is 5 seconds in the abyss timer. It's very easy to set a new baseline for yourself when you have your account with a c2 nahida , c3 furina c6 faruzan c2 cloud retainer and then dis anyone trying to do their own thing. I have a friend who plays freminet i give him advice every now and again regarding what HE wants to do but I never question what he likes to play.
Eula > Meta
That's why I mains raiden, furina and mualani, they are waifu AND meta
Tbh I’ve met quite a few players in game who have 0 chill about non meta units. Like when I’m random matching for domains or sometimes people I help (usually kids tbh) in co op people will critique my characters like venti or sigewinne. I don’t ever really hear it from any content creators tho, so I’m surprised they were being critiqued over this.
I think the important part of this really is that people need to remember that sometimes: no one asked. I realize social self awareness is a sorely lacking field for Genshin players, but that's kind of the crux of the issue shown off in the video. People need to mind their own damn business. You are not going to explode if some weirdo is running around with a Xinyan team with absolutely zero synergy and is unreceptive to any form of advice. Okay, maybe what they're doing is going to hurt them long term. Did they ASK you for help? Again, I know I'm asking a lot from Genshin players, but seriously guys, it shouldn't be this hard to understand grade school level social cues.
On the same token, okay maybe some asshat did decide to be an asshole (because that is legitimately what you are if you are bothering people unprovoked instead of minding your own business) and do the whole stunlock meme because you main Yae Miko and they like Fischl. That does not in turn mean you get to yell at every meta enjoyer that happens to come across you. Moral of the story? People are idiots on both sides. Frankly, there shouldn't even be arguments. Someone comes in and does something? Either click the block button or type back off and ignore any attempt at engagement beyond that point. It's really that simple.
Play meta waifus 😊❤
Pretty much any semi-well built team can clear the vast majority of content in the game, with the exceptions of floors 11 and 12 of the abyss. That's only (at most) 400 primogems per patch that you might be missing because you aren't using "meta". IMO it's negligible so use resin to build whatever characters you want.
can we enjoy characters without calling them waifus omg it makes me sick
Me with Pre Dendro Yae Miko: "Nah, imma do my own thing"
Me with Post Dendro Yae Miko: "Nah, imma do my own thing with bigger numbers"
Thanks for saying what Meta stands for ,lmao.
Welp my meta is the husbando meta
Waifu players🚮
Meta players 🚮
Husbando players🤩
The whole concept of waifu over meta or fun is kinda flawed
How long can one possibly play a character cuz it looks good but plays like shit or isn't fun
Ganyu prime example
Just how long can someone look at a character without seeing what the characters does
I love good looking characters also but I also wanna have fun playing them even if they're not that strong
There's a limit to how far I'm personally willing to go just cuz a character 'looks good'
I'd say I'm 'play to fun'
I like the challenge of making weaker or less popular characters as powerful as possible. I build the weak ones up. The powerful ones don't need building up.
Understanding meta helps to do that.
You're ACTUALLY dumb if you roll for someone for numbers lol
go play with a Calculator.
See I am Lucky my Waifu Furina is Meta
Me who pulls for meta waifus instead 🗿🍷
meta for primogems, waifu for overworld and everything else, and when i really like a char i make a team around them
Waifu vs Meta drama is indeed stupid, but I also blame Genshin for not giving more proper care and attention to game mechanics and character kits. Look no further than the rate-up 4-stars. You'd think they'd consider which characters support the banner 5-star, but they literally pick via a dart board. Don't believe me? Why the hell was Mika released during an Ayaka and Shenhe rerun instead of Eula?
I also can't defend Eula either, despite her being my favorite character and only C6 5-star, since even with Furina, I still feel like I clear floor 12 of the abyss by the skin of my teeth. Great video, btw.
7:14, yup.. lol c6r5 Klee main and everyyyy char that comes out I'm like "DOES SHE MAKE MY KLEE BETTER"? (I use her with c6 Zhongli, c2 Emilie, c6 Yelan/c6 Xiangling.)
Lol the cope is real. I just have always liked the "mascot" chars of games a lot.. Pikachu is my fav Pokemon etc etc and Klee was popular, first char I saw from Genshin.
Just subbed to this channel as well, good to see the content again!
i think the main thing being flung around right now is the term "Must pull" alongside overhyped/overrated characters. Especially atm. A lot of people are seemingly thinking you should pull for characters like Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen, etc. because of how good they are. I love Furina, she's my favorite character, but she is by no means needed to play the game, same for Kazuha and Xilonen. I have no doubt people are gonna reply to this and go "Oh but Kazuha does grouping this, he's comfy that." Ok, cool. Not needed for 99 percent of the game and you can argue about the last percent also. Xilonen looks like a cool character, but again, not really needed to play or get through any of the game.
I actively refuse to pull for two five stars specifically, for various reasons, mainly i dont like them, but i also happen to see a lot of people seeming to think they are needed on your acc or will "Transform your account." which is another term ive seen be used a couple times. Those two being Neuvilette (Everything about him screams boring to me. Same as Zhongli, except Zhongli has shields and is also an archon so I'm likely still gonna pull for him on rerun since i wanna collect all archons.) and Kazuha (I don't care for him, and I will continue to never have him purely to prove he's not needed ever.)
Another thing is that there are many ways to play this game. I mainly do exploration, world quests, I read all the dialogs that only meta players skip, just to get primos and you know – it's fine. If someone just wants to play TCG or make pretty teapott for their waifu, fantastic. I mainly got Wanderer because his skill is helpful in exploration, he's not even build properly. I don't even bother with last floor of the Abyss, that's no fun for me. And I'm having a blast. Still I'm thankful to meta players for their build guids, so my boys will get those chests, 100% exploration rate has to be fulfilled
I totally agree in using characters that you like over meta but you use the term "waifu" in a more abstract way. Im totally againt the "waifu" idea. Thats a problem for me in this game and the main reason that male/female characters ratio is almost 1:2 because of the majority of players being male and wanting to play with their waifu. The existence of waifu audience is the main reason that there is no at all or minimal representation in genshin for muscled males and and ppl of color etc. So thumps down to waifu ideology, thumps up to using characters you like over meta (if you can find one that is)
I'm probably one of the few Eula enjoyers that know she isn't as good compared to other units, but still continue to use her every now and then in hopes of her getting better over time. So far, it's been true. Raiden gave her good off field electro application for superconduct and better energy generation, Mika was a Rosaria sidegrade at best pre Furina, Beacon of the Reed Sea helped manage Eula's crit stats better while having a similar damage output to her signature, and Furina. Need I say more about our favorite hydro steroid support.
To be honest I'm not sure what else she will need to be better, maybe an artifact set for an off field unit that supports her playstyle, but I'm happy with where she is now. In a nutshell, characters that make other characters ridiculously strong might also affect the characters you enjoy playing, so use them to make your character strong.
So yeah, there's my opinion about my favorite physical queen thrown out for the internet to see. Feel free to agree or not.
Edit: I decided removed an entire section taking about how is was mainly coincidental that they also buffed Eula cause I read the other comments in this post talking about how you can use the meta characters to buff your own characters and I share that opinion, but thought that the "it was more coincidence" section wouldn't convey that well.
So can i pull for Chiori instead of Xilonen?😂
That is why I put my underleveled Bennett or XQ next to my level 90 Lumine and Aloy in my profile just to spite metaslaves lol
eula main slowly putting broken pipes sword away
9:23 I mean… Not realllyyyy. Because like, some character can be strong like Kinich, Mualani, Lyney, Clorinde etc. But because they are on the same level as the other characters they won't necessarily be pulled for. That doesn't make them bad, just less desireable I guess.
Also, I would like to say. Your content on this channel is great, it feels nice to listen to you about something that isn't drama related.
As always, the best position is a little bit of both sides
i just pull for characters I like, then try to make meta teams around them
I just wanna say that in 4 years I play this game I have heard more shit from meta players than from waifu enjoyers. While META content creators don't really do that almost every meta player I met was behaving like he was better than everyone who did not play meta or whose characters/teams were not optimised beyond reason. Meanwhile with most waifu enjoyers we would shit on each others' mains jokingly and have no ill intent. But I suppose my experience is still that of a minority of players.
A gacha channel based on discussions pertinent to the actual games/genre? A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
As an Albedo main I actually had people telling me that pulling Albedo is a waste of gems because Chiori is better. I just threw them out of my world 🙂
I pull for my husbandos but I almost always play meta. Did I c6 and level 80 my kaveh? Yes i did. Do i ever play him? Absolutely not.
meta this meta that. have you ever META girl before HAHAHAHA. i havent..
I think it's not on meta CCs who people were angry on. The only time I found a CC's guide video annoying was when I was a new player and loved kokomi splash I watched a kokomi guide by mtashed. He literally told even if you lov the character, he would recommend not to pull her in a guide video instead of telling how to make her better. So I was not annoyed by CCs that much. The problem was in the comment sections. I know this because I loved kokomi since day 1. And there were lots of players trashing her saying she's trash meta wise. And when I commented to thank in a video which actually made a good kokomi guide, I was met with so many meta players saying she is absolute trash and telling things like you'll definitely regret pulling a weaker Barbara and stuff. And later when I actually played her and got to know that she's actually good, I replied to people who loved kokomi and were thinking if they should pull kokomi or not since all CCs were saying she's trash. I told that person that her AOE hydro application and healing capabilities make her very usable in electro charge and freeze teams which was true at that time. And soooo many people came in just to tell I'm literal trash for spreading lies when they were the ones who were doing it since they never even gave her an opportunity as their favourite CCs told they're trash meta wise. I know they don't count as meta players as they aren't the ones who are actually doing the math. But I would say I hate the meta obsessed people in the community which I realized is a lot during that kokomi release
MR_HGC I love your voice,please keep yapping,it doesn't matter if you're reciting the bee movie script or a Genshin video
Noelle is my favorite character. And i have been following all the possible meta ways to make her strong. Now im watching a lot of xilonen analysis to see if shes better than chiori c1 for my noelle team. I pulled furina and yelan to make noelle strong, You can be both and thats awesome.
The issue with waifu/meta is that there are only so many characters released per version. If yours happens to be the few that suck, that'll taint the entire experience. Dehya mains got a teaser before Sumeru even came out, waited until almost the end of the Sumeru cycle and then got shat on. Despite feedback, nothing got fixed. Same with Eula, Cryo units, or any unit that is bad/buggy. Hoyo does not fix characters period and that makes the experience shitty for those who liek said characters.
Also, meta units outsell waifu units for a simple reason: Who pulls for a unit? Both waifu and meta players. Every character is good enough to be a waifu, so if it's meta too of course it'll outsell the non-meta waifu.
C0 Eula player. Although it's rougb for Abyss and i lack good artifacts, i have moved on and just use her for overworld bonking. There are ways to make her better, but i lack primos, the same primos that i have now invested into arlecchino and mualani
The worst case of waifu players idiocy was when hoyo released Dehya in a terrible unusable state and those idiots were saying how they dont care because waifu>>>meta. Yes let's allow hoyo to release terribly designed 5* what can go wrong
Remember, meta is temporary but Waifu is eternal