I’ve already made a video before theorizing Paimon’s potential betrayal in Genshin Impact’s endgame, but today, I kinda wanted to go the alternative route and see what happens. Also, apologies for the voice, I might have a little cold but I’ll be fine.
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Venti meantions 3 gods in the manga who gave their bodies, this was meantion when traveler asked about Celestia, as for Paimon she is probably the child of Primal One since the war broke out from the second who came, According to the writer of the game he meantion on Discord that “in order to protect Humanity itself ones child should save the people of this realm but it’s up to the player to find out who that child is” this writer was referring to the end of the game and the only child we know is Paimon….
Paimon is a Blade Eater 😛
Wait a minute how comes zhongli the oldest archon who is living for like over 6000 years,seen almost everything and have a impressive memory he remembers everything he sees but still have never seen or heard of paimon😑 I can’t wait to see her backstory ngl
I don't think she's likely to betray us but she can get hella suspicious
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I remember hearing "Good writing is predictable" somewhere. I think it was a video on FF14's story (either a piece or in its entirety. So, having Paimon "betray" is not bein far-fetched. It reminds me of a character in FF14 as well. (spoilers ahead for Stormblood expansion)
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The character that I am referring to is Yotsuyu. A main villain/antagonist in the first part of the Stormblood expansion (4.0) who was mistreated by her aunt and uncle and younger brother. which made her hate Doma (the country she is in) and its people. She would go on to support another enemy nation to fulfill her desire for revenge. However, plot happens and she suffers great memory loss (acts like a child) but was treated with kindness by another soldier of Doma despite knowing she was the cause of all the suffering in Doma. When she did regain her memories, albeit slowly (and in small parts), her behavior changes back to her vicious self but the small act of kindness that one person showed her stuck with her. So much so, she only targets the people responsible for her suffering (her aunt and uncle and brother). However, our character has to stop her because she turned into a Primal (a sort of God). In her final moments, she does not hate our character and only thinks of the kindness that person her.
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So, Paimon might remember who she truly is and we may need to fight her to stop her.
Paimon needs to stop telling us what to do.
I think they are a sleeper agent.
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Watching paimons eyes last night sparkle under the moonless night last night was so cute I am hoping she doesn’t betray us 😭
Paimon can't die or betray us, since she speaks in A LOT of optional world quests. If she died/left us (when the game completes), then players who didn't do these world quests will awkwardly meet Paimon despite her not being with us anymore. The interaction in Teapot will also be out of place since it requires "herself" to be present.
Genshin's storytelling is different from Honkai. Genshin follows a storyline that cannot be repeated, meaning anything that happens before cannot be overwritten (unless it's part of the plot) and features/stories that are permanently available must be playable even after the main story is over . This is also the reason why we can't replay any Story/Archon/World Quests.
Hangout Quests are an infinite loops of events that occasionally happens throughout the game. Replaying any hangout events still perfectly fits even after the event already occurs, they are just a normal daily occurence when the characters meet us. As of now, none of the hangout endings contradicts this statement.
Wasn't Albedo's theory that she was essentially a real advanced organ of traveler's? Literally maybe not, but like metaphorically can she be the reason they currently have powers? Paimon eats so much more than she'd probably reasonably need just for her levitation and stuff maybe that energy goes to Traveler?
Also I think a solid thing against a Paimon betrayal is just logistically it'd be a nightmare. Paimon is pretty engrained in the UI and dialogue and removing her eventually through betrayal would mean she'd have to suddenly disappear in every other aspect which seems highly unreasonable to me
I kind of a wild idea. What if Paimon is a artificial human of sorts created by one of the alchemists of the destroyed nations (might be Khaenri'ah). I did not have enough material back this up to become a theory…but it's something that crossed my mind.
Man your videos are just absolutely fabulous to shower to
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Paimon won't betray the traveler for a simple reason, she is too tied for gameplay reasons. Hoyoverse wanted a silent protagonist so the players are able to put themselves in their shoes and Paimons acts like the voice of the traveler. She is also important/shown in many quests and it would be literally impossible for hoyoverse to make a story were she betrays the traveler.
However it's still able to create a storyline for a betrayal, it would only be a small one. Like "she wanted to betray them but didn't wanted to do it anymore and the releationsship is stained" or "In a beginning of an important quest she betrays them and in the end of the quest she joins them again" but nothing big.
I love a detail in the 1st Dain quest cutscene, when Aether is still reeling after having seen Lumine for the 1st time and he takes off after her heading to the portal. It seems like he's feet are mving of their own accord, he's not really thinking, just going. And Paimon? Paimon just goes with him. She takes one look at him, realizes he's not all there right now, and resolves to go with him. No matter what is on the other side of that portal, Aether goes, so she goes. Paimon cemented herself as a "ride or die" companion in my mind in that moment. I hadn't really appreciated her before this, but that's the moment I fell in love with her character <3
If hoyoverse want a tearjerker moment they'd be better served by making Paimon sacrifice herself for the Traveller rather than turn on them, even if somehow mindcontroled
just realized I used Aether and Lumine's names but feel free to switch them around in your head 😛
The only time piamon truly betrayed us was when she changed the pitch of her voice from cute to Alvin and the Chipmunks.
I'm still not over it lol
I like the theory that Paimon is a weaker form of Istaroth just like Guoba was once the mighty god Marchosius.
I was thinking that this might be an Elfilin and test subject IBF-86 (in Kirby and the forgotten land) as in the sustainer and paimon are the same person but as of right now they are separated
Lucifer translates to “the one who brings light”, in unofficial lore Lumine is the princess of the abyss while Aether is the protagonist. Lumine also means light – Paimon is loyal to Lumine and therefore – the Abyss
As someone who likes to listen to your videos to go to sleep; please never put paimon voice lines in your videos. It's honestly horrid to listen to.
if paimon did betray us would that really matter much. like i love her but what can she do. i could take paimon in a fight. i could kick her across the room easily.
I heard that in Japanese Paimon speaks normally, in first person.
Aster did you see the Alice theory by IslandXD it is really interesting and makes a lot of sense in lore
No but your are totally right. Paimon feels very like a child like she's discovering the world and she seems to really detest evil, I really doubt she has a master plan. Plus she really seems to want to stay with the traveler even after they found their sibling. I just think that they will have to separate for a while though
Maybe he wasnt talking to the traveller when he said the little fellow by your side, maybe he was talking to paimon. I genuinly think paimon is the moon, or whats left of the moon after all its power was drained so next to THE MOON the traveller would be a little fellow. It takes some mental hopskotch but im ok with that in regards to paimon
Lumines name makes it pretty clear that the traveler is Lucifer, plus paimons loyalty too
Well we have seen this before in the anime 7 deadly sins how hawk and meliodas grew close in the end we came to know hawk was being used by demon king to keep an eye on meliodas. Who knows.. May be paimon is being used by Celestia to keep an eye on travellers actions…
i really hope paimon doesn't betray the traveler. she is unironically one of my favorite characters, despite being annoying sometimes
We actually can know who "lucifer" is, in the sense that there are only 2 possible ways to describe the very concept.
Fallen or Rebel.
Fallen would make her associated to the first god.
Rebel would make her associated to the second god (celestia).
Now let's add this to the equation this moment:
Xiao: Traveler, have my power.
Paimon: Wow WE are going so fast!
Seems unrelated? It isn't. It denies "rebel". It does not confirm "fallen" but it 100% denies "rebel". If you can't put them together don't worry. I left it vague on purpose… but i actually think that you can easily put them together, when you separate the elements of the equation.
Anyway nice work. Thanks for sharing and good luck.
I'm guessing there will be a chapter in the lore where Paimon won't be beside us for quite some time. More like a Paimon quest. She'll be either kidnapped or we got separated or some sort. During that time, Paimon would roam aimlessly just to find us and might encounter the other sibling. And from there, the Abyss sibling will bring Paimon to the Abyss and show Paimon what they are fighting for.
Meanwhile, Traveller would again meet Dains and talk about Kaenreah and ask Dains what he really knows about 500 yrs ago.
Then by the end of the quest, the Abyss Sibling with Paimon will show up to the Traveller, give back Paimon and leave. And after Paimom seeing what the Abyss Sibling is aiming for, Paimon will not think twice on what really is good and bad and whose side is right and wrong.
… what are you talking about…?