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Yeah it is. If you can clear floor 12 at all then going for characters based on how much they either power creep older characters or not isn't going to do anything for you or your account. It's also the reason I don't pull for constellations on 5 stars, there's zero benefit it would offer me so all I do is pull every character+their weapon. (mostly for drip marketing) I think that in a way, currently Dehya is similar to Cyno for me.
Cyno is my favorite character in the game to play due to how awesome his burst looks and feels to play with, I got the same vibe from Dehya's animations. People still shit on Cyno because Keqing is the better electro character for aggravate teams, but I still prefer using Cyno in my Spread/Aggravate comp with Nahida because he is that much fun to play. I expect Dehya to be exactly the same in that regard, If they happen to buff her then great, If not then it's not really going to affect me or my decision to pull her.
I know that there are people out there that are more endgame focused even knowing that all that we will most likely get is the abyss we've had since the games launch, I was one of them until I started to realize that for me personally, Genshin started to become a more fun, casual experience by treating it like a open world rpg in addition to being able to test fun team comps in abyss, When I stopped tunneling so hard onto just abyss the game actually improved for me personally.
This is kind of where other games fill the void of what Genshin lacks. For context, I've been playing Mihoyo's games since 2012 (Flyme2themoon, Gun Girl Z, Hi3) I'm probably what most people would call a leviathan in Honkai Impact 3rd (Basically I have the equivalent of C6R5 of every character in Genshin but in Honkai) and I made that decision over Genshin because there was incentive for me due to how many endgame modes Hi3 has and how challenging the competitive scene in Honkai gets once you Breakthrough past captain level 80 and get into the Nirvana tiers of Abyss. (Basically super abyss designed for whales)
The point I'm getting at here is that if Genshin is lacking in a area that interests you, find other games to fill that void (I'm obviously not advocating people spend money like I did, never spend out of your means) I just think that if you approach Genshin as a more casual rpg rather than trying to go ham on it full time, you'll enjoy the game a lot more. Sorry for the wall of text, this is just my 2 cents.
Normally i would agree with that take but… holy shit is Dehya horrible… they even nerved her this week and i joked about her being a 5 star Xinyan . Yeah yeah i know ya can make carachters work i did the same with Yae or Xinyan still this time i dont have the vibe it wont end well otherwise they buff her also.. her C1 should 100% be a talent and not locked as Hu tao really scummy here i see what ya try to do MHY.
I really love her and i know ya can make it work etc. but… she can't even vape or melt with her ult and her numbers are fucking bad. Her personality design is all top tier and her kit is interesting but holy… don't kill her like that.
I fear Dehya might just get culled or they have a long term plan like they had with Miko but… this time I'm not even optimistic can't see a thing except pyro archon shenanigans maybe and that's lethal grade copium.. .
Hoyo really dropped the ball this time and if they nerv her a second time i might really rethink of summoning this time.
A lot of people I talked to in the game including friends don’t care or touch Spiral Abyss. I do but I remember a YouTuber said that only 10% of the Genshin community actually does Spiral Abyss the other 90% are pure causals and don’t according to Hoyoverse sources. This is the reason they don’t want to add some difficult combat-type endgame that’s permanent.
I agree your right my characters arent built that well but I still can pretty much beat anything in open world
They definitely gonna make a situation like Kokomi. They gonna introduce some mob that prevent healing and shielding, and the solution is Deyha. But of course, 1% of content only care about that, and Im still pulling for Deyha because I think she’s cool
Once again, does anyone remember Al-Haitham in beta and how people said he is gonna be weak due to his numbers being nerfed? Yeah, guess where he is now? At the spot of the best fucking spread dps in the game, assuming we are talking both single and multi-target here, because I know what Tignari can do.
deyha seems to be new atemp at sheild altertives to those say just use a sheild i say but taking no damage is boring.
im more intristed in how well her skill gives damage interruption and by how mutch.
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BUT VALK: Genshin is the hardest game
You never get everything c6 r5
I AM A NEW PLAYER WHO WANT TO MAIN ALOY,AMBER, BARBARA AND QIQI
I CANT DO ABYSS PLS HELP ME 😂😂😂😂
I wish more ppl would spread this info. Because I'm tired watching how players are trying to implement some tier lists and compare, compare, compare raw damage but it doesn't make sense, with new dendro reactions it really doesn't matter anymore which mechanics or character Hoyoverse are gonna present to us! I mean dendro was made to make it even easier than it was before… I like how eng speaking community understand it more than my natives
good luck beating elemental creatures with the same element, there was (maybe still is) an ad of someone who can't beat Andrius with effing Kaeya, using his skill and bursts but doing no damage 'cause they don't know he's immune to cryo
but otherwise, I agree
still got'em! ha!
Once again, I agree with what you've said. Dehya will sell well simply because she has a very interesting design, and she played a part in the story. But I'm still not going to go out of my way to get her. I will take my 50/50, but I ain't gonna be bent out of shape if I lose it. I'd get Eula on the rebound, and with Mika coming along… at least I'd have a char who may be from an old archetype, but no one questions what they can still do.
I am just disappointed how… redundant Dehya feels compared to what I have. I know for a fact that if I got her, after she makes FR 10, I'd probably never use her again because everything she does, someone of my 56 chars does better. That's really the problem here. With Dehya being such a disappointment, with Mika being designed for Eula, Razor, and Xinyan… it really makes Patch 3.5 feel dry for me. Dry as in nothing to be really excited about. But I suppose that's probably a good thing, I can spend my saved up $140 and get Hu Tao, this time… I mean I'm going to have a 50/50 on her, so try that before I spend a dime… but you know. Still, disappointed. Getting Dehya feels like getting that one, least favorite figure in the set you're collecting, just for completion, but knowing you'll stick it in the back, behind the figures that you do like.
She may have low multipliers, but tbh she's still in beta. There could be hidden buffs before she gets released. I know it's a copium thing to say, but tbh we don't really know if she'll be that bad when she releases. They nerfed alhaitham's burst and he's still so good. He's T0 DPS ffs now. I'm pulling because not many people seem to want to pull for her. I have hu tao guaranteed and getting, but I'll toss wishes for dehya. If I don't win her 50/50 then that's fine. I play the characters who are fun to me
I agree the game as a whole is an easy game and I always say husbando/waifu over meta and I was trying to be optimistic about Dehya but the more I sit with it, her kit just feels poorly designed and executed as it is right now and it just seems like it’s just significantly not as polished as the other 5stars. The damage mitigation is nice as a side feature like with Beidou and Xingqiu but it’s more complimentary to the bulk of what they offer. As someone who was looking forward to Dehya and as someone who doesn’t necessarily care if a character isn’t meta it is still kinda disappointing and that’s coming from someone who C6 triple crowned Thoma.
I'm still getting Dehya, I love her character and design and I love my Pyro queens.
and this sounds familiar like when people said Kazuha and Kokomi are terrible so I don't listen to anyone anymore
This game is so easy its gotten boring. I still log in to do dailies but its a struggle to even do that. I usually just play it when a new area releases or new archon quest. I know you quit ToF but this is a reason I still play ToF atleast it has some difficulty. I can close my eyes and mash buttons and kill a boss on gensin.
I've been saving for Dehya and her weapon, no if's no but's…
Wifu > Meta xD
While I do agree that the game is pretty easy, when you have a limited 5* character that is unironically competing with Aloy for the worst character and seems to be worse in mono pyro than Xinyan . . . I can kinda understand why ppl might be a tad bit upset.
It's easy to 36 abyss, that's why i don't worry about Dehya.
Even she can clear abyss,with other half being main dps kokomi and considering i don't have meta units such as kazuha raiden ayaka or hutao.
I am not a metaslave.
My 5 stars are dps kokomi build c2,yoimiya c0, keqing c0,nilou c0
People said the same thing about Alhaitham. At this point I don't trust whatever comes out of their mouths because it's usually dumb shit
Even with how easy the game I don't have the same mindset. i like exploring and seeing the progression of my characters after the suffering of artifact RNG, it makes me feel like my time wasn't wasted. If we were showered with primos then I'd gladly pull for everyone just because they're pretty but saving primos is hard enough so i expect whoever I pull for to make me feel that they're worth it.
I don't mean having big PP damage either but have a role that you're good at and push me to try new teams. The Dehya thing is more confusion and concern because we have no idea where her role matters. As mentioned in the video, Zhongli does her job already so Hoyo needs to show us why Dehya will be worth pulling. I've been simping for her since last year but I'm not about to pull for a character just because they're sexy. I can look at fanart if all I wanted to do was stare at characters.
She's still in beta and from what I've been told, Ayato and Yae changed by the end of their betas so hopefully they don't do Dehya dirty with a messy kit. i want my girl to be strong and sexy to make me feel that saving for her was worth the wait. 30k btw lol.
I think there 2 groups in genshin impact, that complain about Dehya. Ppl that can easily 36* abyss, and then there are ppl who can not and are mostly mechanically bad players. The game is very easy, even if it takes you some time to farm materials at stuff.
The Group that can 36*, i think has genuine interest in having somewhat similar power level and they mostly provide critique with examples to explain, why they dont like it. I also think that these ppl care about meta, mechanics etc.
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There is the other one, part of group that can not finish 36*, dont care about the mechanics, yet they still find milion and one reason, why Dehya is bad and also why the game is hard. They are just venting. I think this part of the community is toxic, unreasonable and pathetic. Twitter freaks.
Dont get me wrong, most of the ppl that can not finish 36* abyss just dont care about it and should be left out of it. These ppl just njoy the game as it is.
In short, you dont care about mechanics? You want just casually play? You dont farm materials and build your teams? You can not finish the abyss? You have no right to criticize how the charater works.
Thats how i feel about it.
Game is easy as hell, still i don't think it's an excuse for Amber, Xinyan, Qiqi, Thoma, etc existence.
Characters should at least be decent at whatever they do, especially when character has only 2 abilities and 2 passives. Xinyan's kit, as worst example, straight up doesn't synergise with itself, Dehya and other not that far away from her with barely working stuff.
And Dehya's damage reduction is soooo overcomplicated. Xingqiu does some thing, but without ten layers of limitations.
But so far they prefer to make good something much more better – a drawing of a character.
100% agree, ive just to laugh now seeign this video, after i posted, how i have to disagree on your other video, saying exactly, that the game is too easy and thats the reason, why shields are not the problem of Genshin
I’m definitely getting dehya 🎉
Honestly I don’t wish on banners to much my favorite character has been razor and I’ve literally beat everything with him. I enjoy the game because it’s mindless play to get away from the work day . Easy game with with hot pirate lady
I go back to Koko's original banner and how much she was loathed. Now peopled clamored to get her after dendro was released.
Difficulty should not justify design obligations not met.
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The game is very easy. I just wish there was permanent content like the Abyss, does not necessarily need to be end game, that uses more than 2 teams because it's sad that Hoyo refuses to add content that uses more than a fraction of the total characters in the game. The amount of times I've seen players say "I haven't used X character in so long" Every new banner with a support/dps has been replacing my current support/dps with a new one and it's gotten old now.
You are the most intelligent and rational person in this game community. people don't realize that the abyss is just 1% of the game
It’s easy if you play 6 hrs a day and spend money
Yeah as a new player I think this game is hard so it’s disappointing to have 5 stars like this on banners
I feel like you're missing the point entirely. Ppl want their favorite character to do damage because it's the only fun they can have in this game, but most importantly it's a way to respect ppl's time spent into building them.
Let's make an example. U spend 5 months trying to get really good damage on Dehya, u reaaally work hard for those artifacts and stuff, and then u see that she's starting to be ok. "Nice!" You say, "finally i can show dehya to my friends!".
Then u go to ur friend, u show her and then they pull a unit that they haven't build that much and they're like "oh yeah I can do that on this chara"
And u sit there like "woah.. i spent 5 months of my life, maybe even spent 300 dollars on it, and ur friend matched ur damage with just 1 month of building that character with suboptimal artifacts and low level talents.
If a character makes you feel bad for putting time and resources into it, then is it even "fun" ?
Like..I feel like the problem here is NOT that Genshin is easy. The problem is that "if it CAN be good, and then want to make more money out of the characters (which btw is not content) then WHY CAN'T THEY BE EFFIN GOOD?
If u start to regret the time u put into a character, then why use that character anyway? People are gonna stop playing her as soon as she comes out (if they don't buff her) and they are gonna use other characters that actually respect their time.
Also think of this: if hoyo sees dehya being bad but she still sells a lot and ppl are just fine with it, what message does it send to the creators?
"Oh we can just make dogsh*t characters, and they'll still sell anyway haha easy money! Let's just steal people money haha!"
Then when we gonna get to Natlan or Snez, the characters are gonna be SOOO bad that u're gonna be stuck playing Inazuma and Liyue characters for the rest of the game.
Do you REALLY want that?
4 stars are already sh*t , most of the new ones.
5 stars are starting to become too specific and not even that good unless with good characters behind and overuse the reactions to carry them.
AT WHAT POINT ARE U GONNA KEEP TAKING HOYO'S D*CK INSIDE UR THOAT AND SAY THANK YOU?
WAKE THE FK UP PEOPLE.
Unplayable kit =/= "the game is easy, guys!"
I've only been playing this game for a month now. I'm currently at AR50 and have only Sumeru content left to play. Each passing day it becomes more and more apparent to me that there's no point to keep playing this game anymore due to how braindead easy the game has been and will probably be for its remaining content.
Why dedicate so much time and energy farming time gated resources to build characters when there's nothing for said characters to challenge?
I don't think people should be fine or complacent with how easy the game is.
If you spend money pulling for characters, you are not getting yours money's worth because those characters don't provide much value given how easy the game is.
Thank God for telling this guy to make this video. Genshin is not only spiral abyss!
If you like the character take it, 36 star is not that hard, you have 1 unit for free that can take on half side of floor 12, and every base 5star can be used on the other half to do the 36 star… You don't need raiden shogun or kazuha to kill a couple of eremites in the abyss…
I mean i have Raiden Shogun, but it's not because she is good… i just like her sword sheath… same reason of why i will take Dehya, cannot care less if she doesn't even kill an hilichurl in the overworld, actualy is better if she doesn't, i use favonius on her and spam the burst untill it dies while enjoing the show!
If i want to see good numbers i swap into wolfgravestone, use ayaka and melt her burst to deal damage… there are ways to make her work the way you want just like people use Qiqi physical damage or Razor in thundering furry.
Her kit is not great, i agreebut at this point who cares, they may buff her if they see that she cannot be used in any meaningful way, or if she doesn't have any new mechanic that we don't see yet she might be better than we think.
Anyway the point is we will have strong units but we won't always have a new unit that is better than all the previous ones, not everyone can be top tier character for every scenario and at the same time be better than all the previous units, the game would be bad if it was like this, and luckly it's not.
You can use Xinyan with a 2star weapon and do 90% of what the game has to offer!
2:47 true.
and now i'm being a bit more casual because of it :'v
Easy game? But I am ar 57 still not yet 36 star abyss my account goal. Anyone's also not 36 star abyss or player issues? I am f2p 600 primo is good for f2p reward for 36 ⭐ abyss right? Or optional to beat the game in abyss 36 ⭐?
Genshin being easy is just one of its problems. The problem with genshin impact is how you're not allowed to choose. Like this game literally restricts your decision making as much as humanly possible.
Examples:
Resin – forces you to daily clear consistently because of slow recharge speed
Mat Domains – Time gated by days of the week which makes no sense. What if you're busy on both sunday and the day the mats come up? You're screwed.
Events – Play this event now or miss important story elements and crowns.
Crowns – literal slap in the face to newer players with no options to buy crowns given by older events.
Banners – Self explanatory
Exploration – no choice but to run with the crappy stamina system despite its massive size.
Quests – quite literally forced to read the slow and terrible dialogue
Fishing – forced to do this horrible one time event for Raiden's best non gacha wep.
Elemental shields/Elemental immunities – force you to run a specific elements. In abyss, there are times i forget there was a pyro cube or whatever boss with an immunity and I happen to run a dps of that element. Instead of starting from the floor I quit on. I do the entire thing all over again.
These are just some of the examples I can think off on the top of my head right now but there are many more of these examples. Why are they so anal in dictating how we play this game and why does nobody call them out on this? There's literally no reason why any of the stuff I mentioned should be designed the way they are.
I wanted to pull her ,but I'm not gonna anymore. I personally pull for characters that I find satisfying to play and that she isn't. What's funny in this game there isn't one character that I like both for lore and for gameplay. I don't want to repeat my Eula mistake again man.
I haven’t even watched the vid yet, but lemme guess.. He’s either upset about f2p’s calling him a whale or he’s upset about people calling dehya bad
yes true but why should that make it okay to release a shit 5 star? even the most casual gamer out there will eventually get a feel for the strenght of a char and they wont play the bad ones anymore later into the game which means their investment be it money or time was wasted on said bad character. dehya in her current state isnt ok or usable she is straight up terrible.
I know I would've dropped Eula ages ago if I wasnt able to 6 star her and turn her into an actually complete character. I regretted pulling Yae Miko before Dendro because of how bad she was. Granted there arent too many examples of bad 5 star characters in genshin thus far but still even a single one is unacceptable imo especially since this game has no pvp so there should be no fear on the side of the company that a new unit might be too op and upset the playerbase so they might aswell make all characters strong (they dont have to be op ofc)…
Bruh do people really think this game is hard
The game is easy sure but does this mean characters have to be all over the place? NO.
The game being easy does not justifie a 5 star unit to be compared to be worst than Xinyan at this point just make a 5 star unit with big ass and tits and she will sell even tho she does nothing but aa CUZ THE GAME IS EASY.
This mindset got us here in the 1st place. The game is easy dont have to make okay 5 stars anymore gg wp everyone can go home wtf happened to you man?
Why have a standard or a preference at all the game is easy.
The game is easy than why noone plays the mid and below units? They can clear things just as fine why noone plays them than? Cuz ppl have standards and stuff they like.
Im sure i can clear things just as fine with my level 20 Alloy but does this mean i get to be fine with the rest of the new units to be on par with alloy cuz she can clear stuff as well.
Same fuking probblem with miko again shes clunky not fun to play at all her kit makes 0 sense but she can clear stuff just fine so u all forgot about it and went on.
Getting a limited 5 star is expensive and should be treated as such and has nothing to do with the game being easy or not i dont even understand the arguement here limited 5 star units should never be mid considering how much they cost to get sometimes.
Seriously tho if the game is easy than dont need to bother with any kits just make a 100 copy pasta waifu with generic kits and bam new units for the rest of your life they dont need to work on them at all the game is easy what a fucking garbage take.
Seriously tho the game is so easy wtf is the point of whaling for any unit beyond c 0? Why everyone SIMPS over fuckign Stuff of Homa?
You have the unit ar c0 they dont change apperance with constellations why get them at all than the GAME IS EASY.
See this arguement makes no fucking sense. Sure here and there some cons change how u play with the unit like Hutao(she too tho best 5 star in the game do you need that much damage no THE GAME IS FUCkING EZ). The game being easy cuz u spent thousands of dollars on shit that make u a demigod compared to the mobs you fight SURE THE GAME IS EASYXD
Im not hating on any wahles tho u guys pend ur money on what u like idc but dont go around telling everyone ur garbage takes on how the game is easy after swiping on every update.
Man says the only hard content is the abyss, forgetting those Inazuma puzzles.
When I first saw Dehya, the first thought I have is that she'll be a 4 star character. Was kinda surprised she's a 5 star. But she might as well be a 4 star with that kind of kit.
Anyways, that's besides the point, you can wish for her and use her to dash around collecting balloons or whatever in the mind-numbingly stupid mini games, which is almost what all this game have to offer in late game.
I think the fact the game is relatively easy despite being out for 3 years now and now inkling of harder content to come is the problem and shouldn’t be used to discredit peoples disappointment of bad characters coming out especially on the 5 star end. Just cause there current business model works doesn’t mean it’s the best or that it will work forever.
Eh, I've always been of the opinion that Genshin was never hard. Its the only RPG I've ever played where common beginner advice is to avoid working on gear.