Honestly, I disagree. My initial impression, after seeing the title and thumbnail, reminded me of the same discourse that happened in Sumeru about Bennett's "fall off". Theoretically, back then it made some "sense", but ended up dying down as it wasn't true, at all. Now, in Fontaine, more then ever, it's not true.
After watching, the points being made aren't really enough to say he got "worse". Every floor 12 of Fontaine's spiral abyss has been in favor of Bennett heavily. On at least one half, if not both for a majority of them. Bennett has only gotten better, objectively speaking, as he's becoming even more necessary for newer units. The only exception(s) you can point at, is Neuvillette/Charlotte. Any other other character released in 4.x, so far, can make use of him exceptionally well.
Bennett's pyro aura is more of a double-edged sword, than a strict downside. It effectively acts as a cleanse against any pre-existing aura, which is more useful then you'd think. While, some attacks will do more damage to you, it's not like those wouldn't have already almost killed you anyways a lot of time. Taking full on hits from a lvl100 Tulpa or mutliple quick hits from lvl100 Ice Suite, will take a huge chunk of your hp regardless of pyro aura However, more often then not, Bennett's heal will save you, as that's it's purpose. The reason people are finding some struggles with the current 4.5 Aliens on 12-1, is actually the abyss mage's "Smoldering Flame" aura. Abyss 4.4 and 4.1 had Aliens that were easily dispatched, no problem. While, in 4.2, they were a bit more difficult, but mostly because the abyss herald was present alongside them. In general they just do a lot of damage, and Bennett's heal helps more then harms in that situation.
From your own tierlist section, how did you look at it and say he's gotten worse..? There are even some characters in the "Benefits from" tier that are just odd, such as Xiao, Eula, and even Hutao, which can perform better with Bennett in actual tested gameplay runs, which a spreadsheet probably won't be able to relay, unfortunately. Also, again the CN popularity poll doesn't hold much weight at all, as even in the region where Mihoyo attempted to phase him out, he still reigned supreme. He isn't a character you stop using for optimal runs, you stop using him when you've become bored.
There are more "options" now, suboptimal in practice, but good overall. Players are becoming tired of using him consistently, we're 5 regions in, and people are tired. They don't want to submit even more Bennett teams, when they can submit more flashy new characters(mostly Neuvillete or funny Plunge Bird). Even then, he still manages to reach the top 10 on the cn user submitted popularity/usage poll. If this was a video primarily outlining Bennett's dominance(ex. "Why It's Always Bennett"), and how a 5-Star Bennett should definitely be on it's way sooner than later, I would be on board. However, a video about him getting worse, in 4.5, especially when we know what's coming in 4.6, just isn't true, and feels like a reach.
bennet being less meta even if it's just a small bit is so refreshing for the game because it really allows you to try and for Hoyo to try a bunch of new team comps instead of building characters and comps around bennet. can't wait to see what future pyro supports do
I never did bother building my Bennett, solely because he is too restrictive. It's not like you can't complete the Spiral Abyss without him. Even then, his circle restriction often leads to a loss of DPS unless you can group enemies together, which often means you will want Kazuha in the group, as well. Without Kazuha, he loses a lot of value in my eyes.
People still cope with Bennett in EVERY SINGLE TEAM like Bruh why am I seeing Bennett in a NEUVILLETTE TEAM? Why am I seeing him in Furina teams? He's not a good enough healer for those teams stop coping!! And stop Defaulting to Bennett for teams where he's not necessary. People bringing Bennett for their Aggravate teams is pure insanity when Sara is infinitely better in every possible way, people ignoring every other healer in the game because "hurr durr Bennett the Boring exists" like NO Mr. Tiny Circle Impact is terrible in every scenario. And not only that he's a Burst Reliant healer ugggggh. We have so many Skill Reliant healers now. Baizhu, YaoYao, C6 Dori just to name a few. So much more reliable than this Gap Kids wearing borderline irrelevant jackass. Thus I refuse to acknowledge he even exists in the game anymore.
I've been thinking the same for a long time now, probably since halfway through the Inazuma patches tbh, although I think it became very clear to me when dendro and teams that don't rely on multiplicative reactions to compete released. He went from a must include in every team to being either one of the options for a lot of units or just not doing anything for them for others. And I do think that's a good thing, getting units that do similar things but better for certain teams/content, having options in your drafting, not being pigeonholed to this one unit which both halves of your abyss teams need to clear.
Circle impact restrictions are only annoying if your character doesnt snapshot, you have poor positioning or dont abuse reset button impact.
The game devs know the reliance on Bennett but as long as attack scaler needs him, he will be meta. As long as XL doesnt become irrelevant, bennett still shines.
If you compare other 4 star or even 5 star supports, Bennett is still universally wanted compared to those very niche ones or clunky ones.
Bennett may be loosing his utility because of multiple factors, but I love how his c6 enables some very strong teams. I can clear floor 12 with my Xinyan on ether side, doing one and a half or two rotations per chamber, because Bennett gives pyro infusion for vape plunge, and that just makes me really happy
I'm hoping the pyro archon ends up being an upgraded version of Bennet with a field that follows you around which can make Navia and other close range attack scaling characters feel a lot better (potentially Arlecchino as well), but without the healing similar to Tingyun from Star Rail
I just find it funny how much stuff needed to happen to get to this point:
– Enemies with powerful hydro and cryo attacks – Entire sets of characters who want zero ATK stat – Enemy movement patterns almost exactly the diameter of Bennett’s circle so that they jump out of it if you bursted with Bennett right in front of them instead of offset with them. It’s really noticeable if you try to keep a Fontaine Mek inside Collei’s burst radius which is even smaller than Bennett’s. – All the buff gimmicks at 50% or 80% HP so that Bennett’s 70% HP heal does not easily trigger the buff
He won't go anywhere even if hoyo releases a 5star version of him. The reason is that he is so easy to build and his power spike is on c1 which is pretty early. Also abyss usage rates depend a lot on which characters are better against some specific enemies so having Bennett's usage rate drop for one abyss cycle doesn't tell us the whole story (ex. neuvilette can obliterate anything on this abyss so his usage rate goes up but he is not compatible with Bennett so Bennett's usage rate drops).
Ain't no way, I didn't think people actually played Navia double Electro. I mean I do, but I thought it was uncommon, to see a theorycrafter play it is based af
as someone who loves wrio I can confidently say FUCK BENNET. I usually just run furina, yelan, jean, wrio it's not his best team but its good enough to get the job done and still fun. if its an easier one I'll do furina, shenhe, xianyun and do CA into plunge just because it looks cool. but I almost never run bennet unless it's very stationary bosses.
I don't want bennett powercreep i want xiangling powercreep. Bennet is kind of balanced with his circle. A xiangling without snapshot would be better for the game.
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I don’t think Benny is dying l, but, I’d rather not play circle impact so I avoid him like the plague
Honestly, I disagree. My initial impression, after seeing the title and thumbnail, reminded me of the same discourse that happened in Sumeru about Bennett's "fall off". Theoretically, back then it made some "sense", but ended up dying down as it wasn't true, at all. Now, in Fontaine, more then ever, it's not true.
After watching, the points being made aren't really enough to say he got "worse". Every floor 12 of Fontaine's spiral abyss has been in favor of Bennett heavily. On at least one half, if not both for a majority of them. Bennett has only gotten better, objectively speaking, as he's becoming even more necessary for newer units. The only exception(s) you can point at, is Neuvillette/Charlotte. Any other other character released in 4.x, so far, can make use of him exceptionally well.
Bennett's pyro aura is more of a double-edged sword, than a strict downside. It effectively acts as a cleanse against any pre-existing aura, which is more useful then you'd think. While, some attacks will do more damage to you, it's not like those wouldn't have already almost killed you anyways a lot of time. Taking full on hits from a lvl100 Tulpa or mutliple quick hits from lvl100 Ice Suite, will take a huge chunk of your hp regardless of pyro aura However, more often then not, Bennett's heal will save you, as that's it's purpose. The reason people are finding some struggles with the current 4.5 Aliens on 12-1, is actually the abyss mage's "Smoldering Flame" aura. Abyss 4.4 and 4.1 had Aliens that were easily dispatched, no problem. While, in 4.2, they were a bit more difficult, but mostly because the abyss herald was present alongside them. In general they just do a lot of damage, and Bennett's heal helps more then harms in that situation.
From your own tierlist section, how did you look at it and say he's gotten worse..? There are even some characters in the "Benefits from" tier that are just odd, such as Xiao, Eula, and even Hutao, which can perform better with Bennett in actual tested gameplay runs, which a spreadsheet probably won't be able to relay, unfortunately. Also, again the CN popularity poll doesn't hold much weight at all, as even in the region where Mihoyo attempted to phase him out, he still reigned supreme. He isn't a character you stop using for optimal runs, you stop using him when you've become bored.
There are more "options" now, suboptimal in practice, but good overall. Players are becoming tired of using him consistently, we're 5 regions in, and people are tired. They don't want to submit even more Bennett teams, when they can submit more flashy new characters(mostly Neuvillete or funny Plunge Bird). Even then, he still manages to reach the top 10 on the cn user submitted popularity/usage poll. If this was a video primarily outlining Bennett's dominance(ex. "Why It's Always Bennett"), and how a 5-Star Bennett should definitely be on it's way sooner than later, I would be on board. However, a video about him getting worse, in 4.5, especially when we know what's coming in 4.6, just isn't true, and feels like a reach.
I really hope the pyro archon will replace Bennett or Xiangling somehow, circle impact is zzz
bennet being less meta even if it's just a small bit is so refreshing for the game because it really allows you to try and for Hoyo to try a bunch of new team comps instead of building characters and comps around bennet. can't wait to see what future pyro supports do
I never did bother building my Bennett, solely because he is too restrictive. It's not like you can't complete the Spiral Abyss without him. Even then, his circle restriction often leads to a loss of DPS unless you can group enemies together, which often means you will want Kazuha in the group, as well. Without Kazuha, he loses a lot of value in my eyes.
i heckin love losing his buffs first 3s of my rotation due to a random enemy choosing this particular move at the most coincidental time
Bennett main here
You never needed Bennett
He just good for Unga bonga numbers
hopefully he gets powercrept in Natlan
People still cope with Bennett in EVERY SINGLE TEAM like Bruh why am I seeing Bennett in a NEUVILLETTE TEAM? Why am I seeing him in Furina teams? He's not a good enough healer for those teams stop coping!!
And stop Defaulting to Bennett for teams where he's not necessary. People bringing Bennett for their Aggravate teams is pure insanity when Sara is infinitely better in every possible way, people ignoring every other healer in the game because "hurr durr Bennett the Boring exists" like NO Mr. Tiny Circle Impact is terrible in every scenario. And not only that he's a Burst Reliant healer ugggggh.
We have so many Skill Reliant healers now. Baizhu, YaoYao, C6 Dori just to name a few. So much more reliable than this Gap Kids wearing borderline irrelevant jackass.
Thus I refuse to acknowledge he even exists in the game anymore.
Bennett sucks. He’s a boring character. He’s not fun to have in teams. I can’t wait until he gets powercrepted into the dirt
I've been thinking the same for a long time now, probably since halfway through the Inazuma patches tbh, although I think it became very clear to me when dendro and teams that don't rely on multiplicative reactions to compete released. He went from a must include in every team to being either one of the options for a lot of units or just not doing anything for them for others. And I do think that's a good thing, getting units that do similar things but better for certain teams/content, having options in your drafting, not being pigeonholed to this one unit which both halves of your abyss teams need to clear.
Yeah just as I finally built Benny after a year, I don't need him lol
Navia/Zhongli/Furina/Xianyun ……..and my other team is Neuvillette
I thought the title said bennet was getting WOKE
Circle impact restrictions are only annoying if your character doesnt snapshot, you have poor positioning or dont abuse reset button impact.
The game devs know the reliance on Bennett but as long as attack scaler needs him, he will be meta. As long as XL doesnt become irrelevant, bennett still shines.
If you compare other 4 star or even 5 star supports, Bennett is still universally wanted compared to those very niche ones or clunky ones.
Bennett may be loosing his utility because of multiple factors, but I love how his c6 enables some very strong teams. I can clear floor 12 with my Xinyan on ether side, doing one and a half or two rotations per chamber, because Bennett gives pyro infusion for vape plunge, and that just makes me really happy
I'm hoping the pyro archon ends up being an upgraded version of Bennet with a field that follows you around which can make Navia and other close range attack scaling characters feel a lot better (potentially Arlecchino as well), but without the healing similar to Tingyun from Star Rail
I just find it funny how much stuff needed to happen to get to this point:
– Enemies with powerful hydro and cryo attacks
– Entire sets of characters who want zero ATK stat
– Enemy movement patterns almost exactly the diameter of Bennett’s circle so that they jump out of it if you bursted with Bennett right in front of them instead of offset with them. It’s really noticeable if you try to keep a Fontaine Mek inside Collei’s burst radius which is even smaller than Bennett’s.
– All the buff gimmicks at 50% or 80% HP so that Bennett’s 70% HP heal does not easily trigger the buff
I think it is kinda the other way around, that Bennet is so strong that all new characters have to be designed with him in mind.
He won't go anywhere even if hoyo releases a 5star version of him. The reason is that he is so easy to build and his power spike is on c1 which is pretty early. Also abyss usage rates depend a lot on which characters are better against some specific enemies so having Bennett's usage rate drop for one abyss cycle doesn't tell us the whole story (ex. neuvilette can obliterate anything on this abyss so his usage rate goes up but he is not compatible with Bennett so Bennett's usage rate drops).
april fools is tomorrow lmao
I’m using him just as much as ever
Ain't no way, I didn't think people actually played Navia double Electro. I mean I do, but I thought it was uncommon, to see a theorycrafter play it is based af
I already stopped using Bennett upon Sumeru released, so kinda suprised people now just started noticing this about Bennett 😅😅😅
never used bennet with my Klee and never will, cant stand any character who makes me sit in a circle, plus he looks lame with a boring design
So is this the plan for Pyro Archon? Bennett fixed? PLEASE
9:35 Barbara 'sad noises'.
Bruh.. he was always bad…😑🙄
I’ll be surprised if Himeko isn’t a 5 star Bennet at this point
as someone who loves wrio I can confidently say FUCK BENNET. I usually just run furina, yelan, jean, wrio it's not his best team but its good enough to get the job done and still fun. if its an easier one I'll do furina, shenhe, xianyun and do CA into plunge just because it looks cool. but I almost never run bennet unless it's very stationary bosses.
I don't want bennett powercreep i want xiangling powercreep. Bennet is kind of balanced with his circle. A xiangling without snapshot would be better for the game.
Venti and Bennett so far are the only characters that were so strong that Hoyo is deliberately making content to try and nerf them.