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IThis is one those theories that don’t necessarily have a lot of objective backing, but rather come from observations. Unlike my other theories that have substantial evidence, this one is just…a hunch…. given it was always curious WHY Celestia decided to keep Khaenriah alive. Why was the punishment so cruel? They have the power to erase a civilization from the map, they also have the MOTIVE to do so. So why didn’t they? Why risk keeping them alive?
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There will be a semi Part 2 to this. I'll be presenting the opposite side of this theory and disprove this video.
That Celestia had NO INTENTION of saving the Khaenriahns and even jeopardized the rest of the world by keeping the corruption alive by preserving the Khaenriahns.
the thing is, sumeru might met the same fate as khaenria's.
it is almost confirmed that abyssal power/corruption is a honkai disease, and that let the people it infected turned into hillichurls.
the disease sumeru people were infected with is the 'first stage' of the symptoms so yeah, to prevent that Celestia might really did the right thing, it just not fair from human's pov.
I am pretty sure that’s Ei is the one who went there not her sister her sister stayed at Inzoma and when Ei went back she found her dying at least that what I got from the quest I just finished 😅
They are immortal after you kill them they will respown again…
I think all the archons were compelled to go to Khaenriah including Makoto and because of it she died there. Or I missed any details about her disappearance from Inazuma.
I don't think Celestia could have just killed all the Khaenr'ians. I think there would be major unintended, unfixable destructive consequences, that could even doom the whole of Teyvat. I think the curse is to stop the Khaenr'ian people from entering the leylines with the corruption of forbidden knowledge. Marana infects the Irminsul so we've seen the leylines being corrupted by knowledge or memories, and we saw that Eleazar is a corruption inflicted as a result of forbidden knowledge. So, the curse of immortality and erosion serves to stop this corruption from entering the leylines. Immortality prevents them from dying so they can't enter them, and the erosion means that their minds cease to exist eventually and so the memories of cursed knowledge are removed from the world rather than being able to enter the leyline with the person who eventually faded away. If Celestia just killed all the Khaenr'ians without the curse, they might have entered the leylines upon death with massive corruption, dooming the whole of Teyvat to something like Marana.
I just have to commend Aster for the voices that she do. True talent right there!
Interesting… I thought that the reason Celestia cursed the people of Khaenri'ah was because they opened a way for the Abyss to enter this world?
Wasn't the Abyss an enemy of Celestia only recently (last 500 years)? Or was it around back during the archon war (2000+ years ago)?
The main problem I see with this theory is focusing way too hard on the idea Khaenri'ah were the aggressors and it was all their fault. But we know that can't be true. Dainsleif himself implied there is a third force in this story as he implied Khaenri'ah was involved in a constant war with the description of the field tillers. "The land is not to be tilled with farming tools, but rather to be fought for with steel and blood." They also heavily push the idea Khaenri'ah's technology is linked either to powers outside the normal realm or possibly raw leyline energy as seen with abyss mages and heralds. It does also match the bright blue color of Dainsleif's powers.
Still it could also be implying the leylines themselves are outside this realm itself which explains the need to access it with incense or technology like the akasha which only works because of the gnosis. But if they have access to it, it could also mean there's a tear in the realm or possibly the corruption of the leylines is mainly being shown in Khaenri'ah and these corrupted beasts and sludge had somehow broke through their defenses. We do know Khaenri'ah seemed to have incredible knowledge of the leylines and the archon quest has directly stated that the withering, corruption of the Sakura tree, and the dark mud are all results of the leylines being corrupted or filthy. We even hear from the aranara and the archons that the cataclysm basically involved these effects being shown everywhere with the black mud literally raining from the skies.
It also fits the idea Dainsleif and the abyss claim the gods destroyed Khaenri'ah. We have seen the celestial pillars seem to be drop as some form of last ditch effort for problems for Celestia, it could be that they literally stopped the hordes from escaping from Khaenri'ah but as a result utterly obliterated their nation. Celestia likely had rather little care at the time and more just wanted to end things.
The curse is the one thing that's rather questionable though. Dainsleif claims the gods cursed them, but our twin says the abyss cursed Dainsleif for failing to protect them. I'm under the impression it's likely an effect similar to how destroying the tree of dragonspine caused a perpetual winter as the leylines are thrown out of wack in the area. It could just be similar for the people of Khaenri'ah and was again more a side effect of what had to be done.
It also should be noted that Ei talks about fighting in the war, but she doesn't mention fighting machines or mages, she talks about fighting corrupt beasts and black creatures. That's a rather odd obfuscation if the battle really was Khaenri'ah vs the gods. The best we can say is that Gold made Durin the evil dragon and the Rift hounds, but there are weapon descriptions quoted from Durin that don't remotely sound evil, more it seems he was also corrupted in whatever was happening in Khaenri'ah. The Rift hounds are yet to be fully fleshed out, but we can tell they were a major force in the cataclysm. We can also see they seem to have other worldly powers of some kind as they travel in portals, have corrosive effects, and are said to literally rip holes in reality. Beyond the claim Gold made them we really don't know much about them so again, it can't really be all blamed on them.
This is interesting, but I'm pretty sure the war wasn't against Khaenri'ah but to save Khaenri'ah. I don't think the curse was punishment but more like a disease that resulted from their use of chaos energy (eg: the chaos cores that make all the ruin devices). "Forbidden knowledge" seems a bit like climate change: technology that causes self-harm if not regulated properly. I think Khaenri'ah caused a kind of ley-line environmental/elemental catastrophe. The curse of immortality wasn't "placed upon them", it seems to be a disease caused by exposure to the corruption of Irminsul.
The Khaenri'ahan disease is almost parallel to Elisar's, which is caused by King Deshrit's technology. But his tech isn't based on chaos energy, it's based on primal energy (from the primal prisms etc). So instead of creating rifts to the abyss, it creates withering, sandstorms, earthquakes and Elisars, depending on what it impacts.
So I think Celestia probably tried to stop this, and save Khaenri'ah, not punish them. But I think celestia failed to help and was ultimately destroyed.
Anyway, it's just a different line of thought.
Interesting theory
hoyoverse has delved with this problem of memory and immortality in honkai as well! hua, as an immortal, had to store away her memories somewhere safe as to not overload her mind of 50,000 years worth of knowledge and memories. her "mutation" made her immortal AND not forget a single memory in her life which led to her experiencing crippling pain.
this theory, alongside how hoyo established their world building with immortals, is really great. overall, great video!
I personally believe that celestia wasn’t responsible for the curse, it was a result of the irminsul tree in Khanri’ah being corrupted by gold, either accidentally or on purpose, her title is “the Great Sinner” and just making abyssal monsters doesn’t seem like a “Great Sin” her sin is not just simply making monsters, but dooming an entire country and its people to turn into monsters.
Here is my take to the Khaenriah destruction and what happens at the chasm.
1. Celestia nuked them to stop whatever is happening somewhere inside the kingdom that has to do with abbysal powers. The same thing that turned its people to monsters and threatened to spread to the whole world. The nuke and the curse was two different thing happening at the same time.
2. Celestia didn't kill the Khaenrians probably because they are not able to do so. Or they just wanted to stop whatever is causing the curse and be done with it, what is turning the Khaenrians might be of different origin and cannot be affected by celestial powers. That, and they (celestians) might think that those people brought the curse to themselves so they are left out to serve as example to the rest of the world on what happen if you try to do the same.
3. Khaenriah can use abbysal powers to some extent, for example as power source for their machines. We can find this reference from the core of the Giga-ruin guard in sumeru and also from the core of "The first field tiller" in stormterror lair (Dain was able to detect and extract it because they are from the same source of power).
4. Some Khaenrian mad scientist tried to further use the new abbysal technology for something else, like trying to give abbysal powers to their people or make it useable just like how vision bearers use their powers. But somehow this goes wrong and everyone was turned to monsters instead and this is spreading fast thus the need for Celestia to nuke the place. (Dain was using abbysal powers so he could be the only successful specimen)
5. Lumine called Dain a traitor, probably because they ( lumine and dain) know of what the Khaenrian scientists trying to do and what can happen to the nation because of it, they have a plan to stop it but Dain decide to give the scientists plan a try because it could be a game changer to whatever the Khaenrian is fighting at the moment. Or, dain was somehow obstructed or captured and use as experimental specimen thus the failure to stop the destruction of Kaenariah.
6. Immortality was not really a curse, but the accompanying side effect that always affected beings who has abnormally long lifespan that is making immortality feels like a curse. The erosion.
7. "When gods give curse" sentence by Dain could be a metafor. He didn't mention specifically about the Khaenrian curse when saying this word, he's probably trying to give context on how big or severe curses are. Another possibility is that the Khaenrian curse is from a god but not from the celestians but from the abbysal world.
8. The water from the inverted temple has cleansing effect meaning it has "erasing" effect, when used on Khaenrian curse they feel extreme pain probably because the curse is already part of them, the water is erasing part of them. Lumine should have instead try to remove the erosion effect from having immortality so the Khaenrians would not wither and they can try to come up with other means later. Thats said, erosion is probably tied up with immortality and removing erosion will also remove the immortality but because the Khaenrian immortality is also tied to their curse this means lumine was doing it right all along.😅
What if the abyssal energy is the honkai energy itself?
2:24 For a moment I thought you were voicing the dialogue.
I have the game in JP and the EN VA sounds quite similar to you lmao.
My theory is they Khaenirans was trying to leave/explore outside the Bubble, which invited the abyss. Celestia cursed them with immortality to keep them alive?
Tbh with the story so far, I trust Dain more than I trust the sibling. You can blame the destruction of Khanriah on any nation or god, but using the abyss order to attack innocent people of Teyvat who had nothing to do with it is just scummy. If Khanriah was truly a "good" nation, then why would Halfdan help Dain and the traveler in stopping the abyss herald during the chasm quest line?
After Chasm Archon quest that's where I started to believe that Celestia did not destroy Khaenri'ah because they don't have a god
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So the TLDR is that Gold is acually the bad guy (or gal idk) 🤣
why do you say Makoto like that
I wonder what this "forbidden knowledge" is exactly. Logically speaking, such thing shouldn't exist, since knowledge can't grant powers or corrupt someone. Unless "forbidden knowledge" is not knowledge at all, but rather something else. An entity for example.
Ok but 0:36 WHY IS THE ABYSS MATES SPEAR THINGY SO COOL