What The CN players Are Saying About The Hydro Archon | Genshin Impact

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With the kit unofficially released, there is a split of opinions from the CN players.

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38 thoughts on “What The CN players Are Saying About The Hydro Archon | Genshin Impact”

  3. She’s fine people do this with every archon “omg they suck hoyo made them trash” then the release day comes and they are really good. Even overpowered (like you said nahida op af, when raiden came out she also was probably the strongest character at the time)

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  5. I already commented my thoughts on the vid. This is just to ask: Do you have any thoughts about Navia, Walruss?
    A geo claymore, with being a waifu on her side for sales, doesn't make me super optimistic about her kit. Any idea how she could be good? I don't know what Hoyo was trying with Mika and Freminet, but it sure didn't brought back physical from the depths. If they try as hard with Navia and geo… isn't she a lost cause before she even get to try?

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  6. People were expecting her to have yelan dmg and off field hydro application, bennet like buff and kokomi healing in a single character of course they are disapppointed…

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  7. Possible fix idea? Let her skill only be used to drain and apply Ousia but,let her Burst Heal Characters by percentages that slightly exceed the drain. She can apply Pneuma during her Burst duration instead of Ousia to facilitate her having both.

    Also because stages and spotlights so it’s thematically fitting.

    What about her Pneuma aligned summon thing? Just call it to the field during her burst and let it hang around.

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  8. I really really love neuvi still I was torn about pulling for him but when I saw the number on Furina's kit I just had to pull for him. She is not reliable. Her Q is not giving instant buff like Beni but is more like a yelan Q damage buff which stacks over time. Not that great imo. You need to pair her up with a healer and also have to make sure you are running another character who has builtin reliable HP changes like Neuvi. After that you also have to take one rotation to heal yourself up or else the entire team is pretty much dead. So run a shielder too! Great!
    The main problem really is that the buff is not instant. She does not work in hypercarries of non fontain characters. I was thinking that maybe using her in a traditional Morgana with Kazuha would work but her hydro application is not gonna be as good as mona's and mona's omen might still be a better option considering Ganyu takes a lifetime to charge up.
    All in all she is super duper fontaine focused imo. They either need to make her buffs broken to the point that it not being instant is fine or just let her give reliable hp changes so that the buffs are atleast consistently reached in each rotation (right now its 450% I think, which quiet literally means that you entire team is dead lmao)

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  10. I agree that Furina will be a good unit. But she’s an archon: people expect archons to be “great,” not just “good.” I should say, she is good with old units, but not the BiS Hydro unit for those old teams. That honor goes to Xingqui, Yelan, and Kokomi. If Furina will only be the BiS Hydro unit for Fontaine teams, it deflates her hype a bit. What will happen when Fontaine is over? Will she be wanted anymore? Will the HP loss and gain mechanic see the light of day again, or will the Fontaine meta stay stagnant thereafter? It takes a ton of resources to pull for all these Fontaine characters (and maybe weapons, of which there are several very strong ones), AND build all these characters. Plus, Furina isn’t even wanted in all Fontaine teams, making her even more niche. For example, Lyney wants a mono Pyro team. Nuevillette C0 does not work well with Furina because he cannot achieve 3 stacks to bring out the biggest damage on his charged attack, which is significant. Wriostheley might want Furina for a C0 Freeze team, but then Furina will be the only Hydro unit on his team (you generally don’t want 2 Hydro units in Freeze because they take away the Cryo aura and you want to swirl that). Additionally, you’ll likely want Charlotte as a Cryo healer and then an Anemo unit to swirl. So Furina is the only Hydro on his Freeze team and her Hydro application isn’t as good as Kokomi, Yelan, and Xingqui. Not the biggest deal for Freeze, but still. On top of that, Furina has major energy recharge issues. She will need a TON of ER if she is the only Hydro unit on the team, which diminishes her own damage since you can’t invest as much into HP% and Crit.

    Then there is the matter how much healing and HP loss it takes to build Furina’s fanfare stacks, her rotations might be harder to pull off as you need to switch between Pneuma and Ousia, and then how she might take away too much HP from other characters to the point where they lose the buffs in their own kit (I.e. Wriostheley), or Nilou bloom and possibly burgeon teams where you are already taking a lot of self damage. It might be hard for most healers to keep up. It seems like there are a lot of restrictions in the teams Furina will be “best” in, and many considerations you need to make with her energy requirements, rotations, etc. Combined with teamwide HP draining, it just doesn’t seem like her damage buff is worth the headache. I think that archons should be the best that their element has to offer, at least in one aspect if not multiple aspects. Furina is not the best Hydro healer, Hydro applier, Hydro DPS or sub-DPS. She is probably the best buffer in the Hydro element, but that’s it. And she only truly shines with characters from her region, but not all and not at C0 for others. For an archon, it leaves me feeling underwhelmed. Let’s not even talk about how her 2nd best weapon option (by a considerable margin) is Festering Desire which most of the player base no longer has the ability to get. I’ll still pull for her and use her in Fontaine teams, but I feel like all the other archons have much more universal usability, even when they enhance the characters in their own region. Asking players to get C1 Nuevillette and C0 Furina (or C1 if you actually want to get anywhere close to getting her max stacks for her buff) is asking a lot for F2P or light spenders.

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  13. The "math" is looking shaking and she's still in beta with the holiday week stopping any tweaks… so we shall see. HOW the application will interact at launch will seal her fate because the math verses interactions in a free movement game are different enough the change the value of unit. Genshin is not a turn-based game that has absolutes in terms of application.

    But the reason her C1 is contentious to many is that it basically unlocks her kit to be usable in ALL teams, where most people are lamenting that she is currently sooo weak with non-Fontaine units at C0 in non-Fontaine teams. And by weak, weaker than Nahida C0 in non-Sumeru teams.

    Basically, her C1 fixes a "HUGE" problem in her kit that no other Archon has at C0. At C0 she is "Master of None" (aka other hydro C0 units does HER job on teams, and thus make her VERY SKIPable working with older units currently which is not exciting for year+ players looking at her kit). Whereas the other Archons are masters of at least 1 thing at C0, Furina is just good but not great at anything without a Fontaine unit in the team to DRIVE her. Raiden C0 doesn't need Inazuma units to drive her. You can build Raiden differently to support Fontaine and Sumeru teams now at C0.

    I am I getting Furina C0, yes… But I'm aware that she might suck for personal damage in Natlan in the next year (much like my EM bot Raiden)…. But unlike Nahida C0 burn/burgeon teams I can see totally popping off with self-damage rainbow teams that's how potent an off-fielder at C0 Nahida is. lol

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  17. She’s going to be fine. I decided to go with neuvillette and skip furina, but I don’t doubt she will garner some fans. Nahida set the bar a bit too high, so there will be big shoes to fill moving forward with the hydro, pyro, and cryo archons. Furina will cater to a lot of veterans and collectors, but might be a liability and too niche for early game players esp with her draining the teams’ hp. But in true Genshin community-style, there will be an upheaval of discontent that will later plateau and come to the realization that she will be useful

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  18. Some guy from the test server said she's the most overpowered support character in game to-date, that will completely obsoletes Kokomi, Bennett, and Childe. She needs minimum C1 to become relevant because it boosts her burst stack right from the use instead of slowly gaining it from zero – which becomes useless by the time duration is over. Her C2 will make her into a DPS carry because it gives her hydro infusion to all her attacks – which obsoletes Childe.

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  20. Honestly… I think people are just looking for an excuse to get worked up over nothing as is often typical in the Genshin community. These people feed off nothing if not drama.

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  21. we just need Furina to be able to maintain hydro aura.
    Also im surprised her weapon is lacking in energy refund considering how much of a problem the energy requirements for her are….hello Nuev hows that energy refund going with signature weapon…
    we will seeeeeee

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  23. new characters dont have to perform well with existing teams. they can form their own teams, it's not that surprising of a thing to have. Furina is going to be Neuvillette's best support due to her burst. My planned team is Neuvillette, Furina, Nahida, Zhongli/Fischl.

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  24. Furina is definitely going to get Neuvillette to powercreep every dps and I'm not sure if that's a good thing since Neuvillette is currently balanced for not having many viable supports

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  26. I AM HERE to call out the same kind of YAPPIN about an unreleased character, especially for an Archon. I'm just saying, its gonna be another Kazuha, Nilou, Kokomi incident… every player is now trying to make some kind of exucse. An actual real player and a sane person should just wait until she gets playable…

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  29. Im going to keep it simple for me: If she doesnt make my Dehya stronger than what she is right now at mono pyro, I wont pull for her.
    So she has to take Xiangling place in my case, being stronger than Xianling is a tough task, if she can do it, welcome Furina, if she cannot, no pull for me.

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  31. Personally I'm surprised Furina is not Primarily a healer, since she's hydro, and hydro's original vision/concept was healing, not HP

    There's a lot said in this video that I find strange, I dont personally think Nahida is overpowered, and I think this is disanalogous due to the fact that she is an emphasis on a new reaction that fundamentally needed to be strong because 1) its new 2) its utilizing an underappreciated reaction design, transformative reactions
    But comparing Nahida to Raiden Shogun is beyond silly and mind blowing. Raiden is in every way stronger than Nahida, but Nahida does things that are far more appreciated, like Supporting and creating unique tools to existing designs that create new strength, whereas Raiden Shogun is a dime a dozen, in the capacity of dealing damage. So whether she is good or not doesn't matter, since its relatively easy to get good damage dealers in the game.

    I dont think that merit makes Nahida overpowered, I think it makes her creative, and creativity brings more fun and motivation to playing this game. So Nahida naturally garners more popularity

    Furina absolutely should NOT be brought to Raiden Shogun's level, that is counter productive in every way you look at it, because Furina should be primarily a synergy character. Her constellations are bad, and geared towards something nobody expects her to do, and it will be underwhelming for that very fact. People will invest and get disappointed because they will want their money to mean something.
    People are quick to ignore Furina's merits in healing, people are only talking about her C2's Hydro Infusion and its Max HP scaling, and her buffs. This is because the majority of her kit is leaning towards damage dealing and this is a mistake. They should be making her more creative like Nahida, making her bring unique tools and creative ways to tap into under appreciated playstyles, rather than just dumb one-dimensional enabling something that is already strong on its own. If Furina is brought towards Raiden's design more, then she will just be another Vaporize foil for Pyro meatheads to play around with. And that will be an epic fail

    So long as Furina doesn't flop in the buffing/healing department, she will be a fantastic Archon, something Raiden Shogun has absolutely no agency in dictating power levels. And suggesting it would be powercreep if she's good in this regard is ridiculous. Kazuha and Bennett are staple supports for a reason, its time we get new and more creative ones. and Furina offers just this.
    Making it mediocre to avoid powercreep undermines her as an Archon, that doesn't mean it puts her on a pedestal, if you were so concerned about pedestals, then stop using Zhong-li as a defacto exception since nobody has bested him in his forte. Shielding, the same can be said for Venti, nobody bests him in his forte, Control.
    Now look at Furina. Her healing is literally overshadowed by Constellation's and the conversation about "Can she main dps if you Signature and C2". "Can she out perform Xingqiu/Yelan in the co-ordinated department"
    Focusing on all the wrong parts of Hydro, that are already strong. Will not make Furina the Archon she needs to be
    The unique characteristics of Raiden Shogun, are barely scratched, her Energy supplementation are fantastic tools, and nobody cares about them, people only care about her damage. Why? Because the majority of the kit leans on it so much. Why would anybody want Furina to be like that?
    I believe this is a mistake

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  32. We don't need to look at it from "a business perspective" we are the players not the business we want the characters that we play and that lots pay for to be great and worth it especially at how much it costs for a single con or copy. The business side does not matter to the player side nore should it.

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  33. She'll give the possibility to wear Hunter set to any character in Genshin, which basically gives +36% CR. So you can get 72% CD more or just can use not so perfect artifacts. Of course you'll lose other set's bonuses, but 72%CD is 72%CD.

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