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I miss talking about this theory, oh my god.
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So, I remember reading about Xiao's vision once in the developer notes, and I was able to find them again on his fandom Wiki page, I'll quote the final paragraph of it below for you!
"Although this is somewhat tangential, I'd like to take a moment here to give a little more detail on the adepti in the Genshin Impact universe, given that so many players have expressed an interest in this topic. The adepti are based on the idea of demigod-like "immortals" (ไปไบบ xianren) in Daoism, and are referred to by the honorific title "sanyan wuxian" (ไธ็ผไบๆพ), literally "three eyes and five manifestations" (but localized in English as "mighty and illuminated"). The adepti are classed as non-human, based on the notion that "All who have nine orifices can achieve immortality through self-discipline," a line uttered by the "Monkey King" Sun Wukong in the Ming-dynasty novel Journey to the West. This means that animals are also capable of achieving adeptus status. However, humans have a higher purpose than adepti in the world of Teyvat, so for this reason, only those of non-human status can be referred to as "adepti" in Liyue. The "three eyes" part of the adepti's title refers to the "third eye" possessed by those with the ability to manipulate elemental energy, which for humans takes the form of a Vision. For adepti such as Cloud Retainer and Mountain Shaper, the human understanding is that they must have an "inner eye" that serves the same purpose as a Vision. Xiao, however, typically appears in a human form, so he dutifully wears a Vision to comply with the expected norm. "
you know what I just noticed for the first time?
the scene at 6:55 Where Venti is sitting on the hands of his own statue… in the middle of the night.. there is a shadow that looks to be attached to him. Wings? Foreshadowing? I don't know
what if the 3rd descender is actually our dead sibling. And the one we see in game is just like copy or husk that looks like them. this theory has been floating about for a while now and we all know how much hoyo loves to have 2 versions of the same character in this game (i mean 3 of the past 5 archons has had a double of some sort) so itโs plausible. i donโt think we should discredit our sibling being the 3rd just yet and would help explain why theyโre connected to the world of teyvat when we arenโt. or maybe im delusional ๐
I get the feeling that its something akin to the third sponge type theory. It generates the power for the elemental users, but also sends some power back. The vision is left after the death of Kazuha's friend and then he uses, so that probably means their purpose is more important in Teyvat or it was an exception. I doubt the soul prison option will be the end result because that would end the game on a sour note. Either you break Celestia and the prison taking away all elemental abilities or you have to realize that everyone you play with is going to have a terrible fate in the end… unless they decided to destroy Celestia without it affecting anything as a cop out. Its probably closer to the oractrice. What to do with the ascending part… I don't know. They don't necessarily need to be connected.
Feels like youโve accelerated the video.
I doubt Celestia has been giving visions away willingly.
Ei quite literally started taking visions from her people and has said herself that her version of eternity, the one without vision wielders, is the closest ideal to those of heavenly principles.
My theory is that visions are/were a sort of defiance stolen elemental authorities put against heavenly principles. This is (or at least can be), to an extent, corroborated by last Neuvillette's story, where he says that the Usurper lost his own authority, and could thus not overwrite the original order of the world-he could not fully control the elemental authorities at first.
That is why Usurper created gnoses, as a means of fully controling the elemental authorities. But, instead of fully removing visions, he made them a sort of contract, where people would receive the power of the elements during their life, but would be used later, after their deaths, to amplify those powers, sort of like return with interest.
The poem seems to be inspired by the norse myth of the world being created from the corpse of giants, murdered by the gods.
Maybe it is also merged with the orphic myth of the creation of humans : it says Zeus killed the titans with his thunder, and that humans were created from their ashes. That titan part in everyone of them, that hint of divinity was what enabled any human to ascend.
One more benign alternative to the sponge bit is that the vision grows with the wielder. Upon death, claiming it returns a powerful vision, instead of the 'starter kit' vision that was handed out, essentially crowdsourcing the visions' development.
One thing to remember is that the Archons were the most powerful rulers of their lands before being given a Gnosis and didn't need a vision to be powerful. The war was fought before the Gnosis were given, and some rulers/gods refused to accept or take part in this conflict (even though the war still happen and they were either destroyed or driven out anyway).
So it stand to reason that what the winners were actually given was a seat of divinity. Or rather we will call it "additional power" gained from that which was released when so many powerful being were defeated in the war. Celestia of course harvesting all of the power and then dividing some of it into 7 parts for the "seats of authority" issues to the winners.
I could be way off base with that, but those are just some of my thoughts sparked by your video concerning the role and true power of the "original" archons before they were tasked with transferring their throne of divinity to a successor when they pass away.
Tarantado yan si venti. Tinatanong ng maayos kung ano ano sinasagot.
I disagree. I believe the price for a Vision is entangling yourself into the eternal war between the Light Realm and the Void Realm. The Primordial One creates Visions for people who are bound by fate, so they are only doomed by fate. There is a price, but it is ultimately an honourable thing to serve the one who created humanity even though the PO stole the Dragon's Authorities.
What if they Cyro Archon is trying to revive the Pyro o.o because they are loversss :O story of fire and ice!!!
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When I seen those people in Inazuma my idea was that a Vision actually takes a part of the person, their ambition and crystallises it (so it never diminishes it solidifies) so when the Vision Hunt Decree took their Visions it was like it took a part of their soul. Though the one contrary thing to the taking a part of their soul is people like Itto was fine, so maybe they have the will to overcome and change ambitions or the latter is wrong.
I also had a theory that when someone is given a Vision is something akin to exchanging your soul or part of it with the devil for a chance of achieving something, though in this case the Vision is forced upon the person so its more like its shackling them to a certain path or fate those the guise the person wants it.
We still dont know if Arlecchino will actually hand over Childe his vision
Have you considered the parable of the Talents?
In the end we'll all be using traveler and only few of us built our travelers
What if all the Vision holders become Hilichurls when they die?
If only anybody else needs to understanding Keqing…
As she never believes in the gods, and also she can't be powerful as everyone.
I mean why neuvillette bestow furina a vision then? I mean it is from a dragon sovereign sure might be different, but if he knows what vision is and deadly implication I dont think he will present it for furina, the one he know already suffer the most
Where is a quest to go to every Archon and ask if they knew that the Gnosis were the remains of the third descended?
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I wonder if there is any specific ambition that Childe lost without his Vision.
I look at visions as seeds. They are given to people with strong enough ambitions to bring change to the world or achieve great power. This is so that very person can use the vision and slowly help it grow through usage as well as potentially leeching on their drive to fulfill their desires as a sort of fuel source so it can be used in general.
The vision becomes "addicted" to the ambition of its user and when that person dies before fully nurturing (aka ascending) the vision only somebody with a sinilar enough ambition can awaken it and becone the new fuel source.
What I mean by nurturing the vision is I mean as they use it thevision gets more and more powerful. Referring to the line mentioning how the gift returned is abundant still I think its like when say you give somebody a computer to use. Over time they may get upgrades for that computer and may eventually give it back. Of course its still used but it got back to you better than when you gave it away without you having to be the one to pay the price. Visions could work in a similar fashion where as the user depends on the vision it slowly gets stronger and stronger inherently like being given a cup of water half full being returned with more water. They take the refined energy the person had created while having the vision and use it for whatever.
As for why they get jailed in celestia I think its because they are still acting as the fuel source for thevision and thus the vision still needs that person alive to produce energy. In order to prevent the person from getting strong enough to escape or contest those in charge they lock them away and siphon the energy from them directly.
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3:19
Isnโt this story eerily similar to the 3rd descender
Especially the Purusha part
I agree with your theory. Because, we can consider the name "illusions" as a reference to "visions" in the sense that the latter is nothing more than something false, which deceives its users.
Soo, if the Travelers doesnt do their thing against THP, and Furina ascends, would the deception then be discovered, and the people of Fontain dissolved anyways?
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I don't think it's established that it was the Second Who Came who worked with the First to create the gnoses. It only says "one who came after." Unless I'm missing some place it was positively said to be the Second Throne? I don't think the Second would work with the First on anything.
As of 4.2, Many of things you said are confirmed in the Narzissenkreuz quests.
For example, I remember reading a very relevant note about visions in the Narzissenkreuz Ordo, it reads:
…To excise the self is not to die, but rather to die before death. That way, there is no life to be ended. Thus may one achieve eternity. This step is vital, for by this, may one avoid receiving a Vision by some error. To receive a Vision to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world โ to Heimarmene , and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path.
Visions remind me of soul gems in Madoka Magicka. The wielders don't know it, but (spoilers)
When you're granted a soul gem, your soul is placed inside. When it's far from you, you become unresponsive. It's like an external organ. I wonder if, once a vision-wielder dies, their vision returning is like the remains of the person reuniting.
this makes me wonder if hu tao's familiarity with death and the rules of the world makes her seem indifferent towards her vision, like in her voicelines
Ei did nothing wrong
Ahh yes, student dept and the bank.
The fact that Visions are so heavily Soul Gem coded isnโt helping.
naw. who old are you. are you even a guy or a she? i'm not sure
We must also remember the constellations on the false sky: a part of the person's fate is falling in our hands upon wishing, never truly leaving Teyvat but supporting the false sky with their shine. Maybe after their death the Allogenes are supposed to become a part of a power structure encasing Teyvat, "the false sky", like that Leonard dude from Where Ancient Stars Align Quest?