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This is pretty fucking unorganized.
Zhongli should be on the list.
Because Othmanthus Win-
In terms of falling off, I can only honestly think of the Kamisato siblings. Both Ayaka and Ayato just aren't good picks anymore and on release they were at least T1. Basically every other character is still good or never was in the first place
I beg to differ, but Yae and Keqing should be ranked higher. Keqing pre-aggravate sucked. Keqing post-dendro had a higher skill floor before Yaoyao came out, and even before Baizhu came out. Then Xilonen helped Keqing tremendously, especially in ST, allowing comfortably slotting in Nahida as the dendro teammate.
Yae also was a sidegrade to Fischl on release. Aggravate helped her a lot, but Yae is also tremendously valued in overloaded, with her random targeting allowing a spread of the res shred caused by overloads to apply to many, and she has a wider range of attack than Fischl. She also gains much from energy provided from C1 Chevreuse. I can only think Yae would gain a lot from Ororon in v5.2.
Would like to add Itto to the list too. Itto has always been solid, but his teams have improved and recently, became more flexible. So after Gorou, his teams got added edition of Chiori, increasing his team dps floor as Chiori is far more consistent in dps than Albedo whose construct snaps like a twig on being tripped on.
Then came Kachina who can buff his defense with her C4, apply off field geo with unbreakable geo construct, and especially use the Cinder City set.
And then the largest Itto savior is Xilonen. Breaking off Itto's shackles to mono-geo, she restored Itto teams and introduced him to new team compositions, inclusing hypercarry Itto with Furina + Bennett or a double hydro Itto with Furina + Yelan, and it additionally meant he could use Marechaussee Hunter, a far more resin-efficient set to farm and spend resin on than the domain Husk lies in. Could even lend Itto a DEF goblet from the sheer amount of dmg bonus he'd get from Cinder City, Furina's fanfare, geo resonance, Marechausse 2pc, and Yelan's A1 passive. Thats like 180% dmg bonus for Itto's Charged Attacks with Furina's fanfare maxed.
Personally, my Itto build on MH is ER/DEF/Crit DMG since Xilonen is only geo teammate and her geo ans fav particles arent being directly funneled to Itto. May need to fav Yelan if using DEF sands on Itto.
I am planning a Dehya, Emilie core w/ Dehya on Mountain King and Baizhu as the third. I'm stuck on if I want Furina since she'll canabalize the burning aura for vapes, but will proc blooms for burgeon. Or, Xianyun for VV shred and plunges.
The idea is a Burning Dehya carry so I think Xianyun is the smarter option?
Either way, seeing Dehya slowly inching up in value does my heart good.
So glad I got Xilonen after missing out on Furina, Kazuha, and Yelan. I will wait for those three to come back and in the meantime, make sure to get Zhongli, Neuvillette, Mauvika, and Citlali.
Shenhe, Ganyu, Wriothesley, Ayaka and Kaeya will all be on this list next year when Tsaritsa gets released. I can see melt improving slightly in the upcoming months but not for the characters I mentioned. More like for pyro main DPS characters to pair with Mavuika and maybe Citlali. But the true cryo renaissance will be in Snezhneya.
I think Jello did a really good job with his criteria here. Cant wait for the Cocogoat milk video!
Dendro, Marechaussee Hunter, Furina, Xianyun, Chevruse, Bond of Life really are the most gamechanging factors
and now we are heading into Nightsoul, and Off-field pyro meta that isnt burst reliant like xiangling, thoma. Here's hoping mavuika won't disappoint us.
I think we should also include how easy it'll be to get constellation for standard banner 5 stars because of the yearly selectors. Dehya shoots up immensely for me because of how much improvement she gets as a character with higher constellations
So he put Diluc in the list but not Xiao because he was great since the beginning. By that logic Diluc was also meta in 1.0-1.2 but fell of quickly. Same to case as Xiao. Xiao is the literal definition of aged wine. First he was good but fell off pretty quickly. Later he got his own set, then Faruzan, then Furina, then Xianyun.
I think that of Hu Tao and Xiao that keeps getting better don't belong to the list, Diluc shouldn't be there either. He started as a top DPS, than got power crept and than came back to be somewhat usable. That doesn't sound like fine wine to me hehehe
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Having Diluc in the top 3 and in similar tiering as Kuki+Thoma is absolutely crazy. If you don't have Xianyun then C0 Diluc is garbage whereas Kuki+Thoma have countless team compositions they are viable in that can be highly competitive. It's obvious you let your bias get the best of you as I know you have Xianyun and play her a lot which is understandable but show me a current abyss clear where Diluc can 36 star without having whale like 5 star support buffing his damage.
Yanfei in Burning team together with Emilie and flex with 2 Pyro / Dendro character is awesome , currently I had a team with Emilie and Yao Yao to give Dendro and support , and Xiangling and Yanfei doing the off-field and on field Pyro
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Ngl, kokomi not being on the list is a crime. She received a very similar amount of trash talk as dehya when she came out, and became considered a great option once shenhe came out.
Also diluc (from what I remember) was meta from release (literally) so I'd debate xiao being a Much more fitting candidate due to him dropping I dare say even farther than diluc level, but then rose much higher after xianyun came out compared to diluc.
Who aged bad:
1. Klee
2. Ganyu
3. Ayaka
4. Yoimiya
5. Yun Jin
6. Eula
7. Rosaria
8. Kaeya
9. Venti
10. Albedo
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I will lmao if when szeniha drops and everyone starts maining qiqi
Yea I'm going to have to disagree on Dehya and Yae.
Dehya should be a few spots higher if nothing else for being the most hated character in existence, to the point of causing major player burnout, increased levels of toxicity, and game droppage, and still ended up becoming such a flexible unit that's now meta in several teams, and only improves with relatively easy to get cons. She's good in burgeon, great with the last 2 patches of carries, invests well with Chev and any electro dps.
Lisa, as much as I love her and had been waiting for this month's shop to c6 her, shouldn't be above Yae. I know electro as an element is very "interchangable" between it's units, but Yae is literally a one stop shop for ypur electro needs. On fielder damage while off field, and scales better into reactions. She does more damage as Fischl, and saying otherwise is someone either not playing her right or forgetting that Yae can use Golden Troup too, along with directly scales with EM and is multitarget. Keqing is good from being a safe investment, but she's very much still power crept by Clorinde. Yae meanwhile can be placed alongside your Clorinde/Navias and other shorter duration dps. Like an electro Emilie. Or just be the dps herself. Especially when paired with Tighnari in a perfect rotation or various Chev teams (I loved her with Yanfei even before Chev). I'd also keep an eye on her in a Childe/Ororun team with the EC buff.
Kokomi still deserves a mention too. Even with Furina and how good Yelan supposedly is. Kokomi being a role consolidation and good in so many teams, I don't care if she's got less damage or freeze is currently poor. Cryo will come back to being useful, and she's always been a good Tenacity and Thrilling Tales holder. She's only going to stay useful the whole time.
I'm tired of the aggravate slander π
It needs and wants a dedicated 5* Dendro for it, Nahida is definitely designed for bloom stuff not aggravate, and definitely not off-field multiwave, but the reaction itself is just waiting for a more serious character. Right now its very good if not peak despite all the dendros in question doing practically no damage and giving minimal passive buffs.
It neither has a Furina or Bennet for huge generic buffs, or a Emelie style character that actually contributes damage massively, but that's not the reactions fault!
Pluge Diluc can be stronger than many meta teams against some bosses.
And if you are fighting Tulpa its just funny.
But the run you showed was not a good one, you didnt vape any of the plunges, gota go slower, wait for Furian to apply hydro, you will have enough time to vape all the plunges.
Tighnari about to be at the top of this list when Iansan is a spread/aggrivate buffer / sub dps β€β€β€β€