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This is probably the most controversial theory I’ve ever made and uploaded on YouTube.
As you can tell by the title and thumbnail, we are going to talk about the possibility that there were seven Archons before the Archon War, and we will try to figure out who they were.
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0:00 – Intro and Disclaimers
0:57 – Decarabian and the Divine Seats
4:28 – The Seven Ancient Archons
9:56 – Archon War and 3rd Descender
12:32 – 3rd Descender and Gnoses
14:35 – What Grants a Vision
15:23 – Archon War’s Goal
16:08 – Ending Notes
17:22 – Outro
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Ahh woot 🎉 thanks for another sweet theory video shadow ❤
Pantalone: Who needs a vision when you're rich ~
97th view for this interesting theory!
Do I doubt your sanity ? Not really
Is your idea interesting? Sure it has some good points I suppose
Do I believe it ? No
I don't flat out say you're wrong.
Unlike a lot of people I have no memory of something we were told in the beginning which end up a total lie after later reveals.
Like a lot of players though that Archons gave Visions until Ei reveal that they doesn't. And actually no character ever affirmed that the Archon gave them a vision. They at most thought it was from the Archon but nothing more.
Also Venti giving a geo vision or zhongli giving vision to someone in mondstad (Noelle), none of theses options make sense anyway.
All to say that if someone actually affirm something rather than guessing
To give you an example, Ganyu affirmed that 5 of the 7 are actually dead. Which has been true so far
One the other end Nahida speculate that the heavenly principle is the first descender. Obviously without further lead on this track we can't determine if she was correct or not.
So even if we still don't know exactly the goal behind the archon war I still believe it ended with the OG 7 Archon rising
First Great video, second this theory makes a lot of sense to me, because in the mission of the Sumeru desert, it is said that King Deshret knew about the Cycle of Seven, as well as seven wise men and that Teyvat lived under the rule of the seven. being at that time the Archon War had not yet begun and he had barely met Rukk. and the Goddess of Flowers. I also remember reading about Decarabian being Archon and many said it was a bad translation.
Tbh I actually saw a similar theory about this by minslef I think talking abt the god kings of teyvat and how they were predestined to be archons I kinda actually like the idea of their being an ancient seven but never officially having the title of archon but until we find out more information on chanyu vales god we can’t be sure but it is very possible that Celestia intended or tried to create celestial descendants who best represented the authorities of the seven elements to be the new seven of teyvat but the plan was possibly Put to a hold due to the third descenders arrival and so Celestia decided to create to archon war despite already having an idea of the gods that they wanted to choose i personally believe zhongli was predestined to be chosen as an archon since liyue has made it clear that zhongli is that the very least 6000 or more years old even zhongli himself says that he has dwell among this world for 6000 years whether you take that as him being born or him already being alive and officially made his descent over liyue 6000 years ago it’s kinda hard to tell but with the current seven well six… we have now I feel as though the best represent the elements, not by sheer strength, but more so how their ideals correspond to the elements at all and their titles best represents the elements even in your lower video about what the elements best represents it also corresponds with the archons ideals
Venti: freedom and hope
Zhongli: contacts and fortitude
Raiden ei: eternity and faith
Nahida: wisdom, and prudence
Furina/folcalors: justice and existence
Murata: war and passion I think? I don’t know. I think it was something similar to that
Tsaritsa: love/peace charity
Yet another reason why I’m always on the side of the archons also i’m a bit hesitant about kind deshret being the predestiny dendro archon since well he never really gave dendro to me at all more like geo or pyro but ok then
Also did you get sparkle? I’m skipping her for Acheron but I just wanted to know also you need to make more Starrow theories honestly
This is a really cool theory. I hadn’t thought of it before!!
The Decarabian example is probably the strongest point in your theory, i can't really think of someone being the Geo Archon aside from Zhongli to be honest. But i always thought that there had to be something/someone before Venti, especially because it was stated that he was a wind spirit originally, which to me means that some other powerful being was already alive and manifesting it's power over that element. So your theory definitely has merit and is great food for thought, however i don't believe that all of them had a predecessor.
As a Zhongli lore enthusiast, I have to disagree with the segment about the God of Chenyu vale being the original Archon for the following reasons: Akin to Egeria, when Zhongli descended into Teyvat he descended with authority over Geo. (Treasure lost treasure found sequel I believe). BUT we also know from Xianyun's lore that ''Adepti are elemental beings that were not created by the Gods'' and are ''closer to the reality of this world than humans'', so as the Prime of Adepti, amongst many other reasons, some speculative and some deductive, logic dictates that he also wasn't created by the Gods . Also we know that he was pretty much ''Alive'' and was not ''Born'' 6000 years Ago, as of his whereabouts prior to that, we are yet to know.
Also Fujin's God wasn't the Original God of the ancient people of Chenyu vale in the sense that they were worshipping her from the time they still lived in the Chasm, she could possibly have come afterward, so she could be as old or as young as Zhongli, or Guizhong is, because what Fujin meant wasn't that she existed before him, but that she was specifically a God over Chenyu vale before him, that's just where people get it mixed, because at that time before they chose to quiet the Chasm, people used to, in the same fashion as in Enkanomiya, talk to the Gods above through emissaries. She wasn't the only god that reigned in the Liyue region before him, Guizhong did too, and Havria, and probably Oscial, she had dominion over dust, and she also had been recorded in Teyvat before him, so she could still be as old as the God of Chenyu vale herself so why couldn't it be her as well ? it's not a matter of who is older than who, Zhongli also Had his own domain, it just wasn't the entirety of Liyue, it was around the south to the west of Liyue where the harbor is and potentially to Jueyeun Karst. He also raised the land and dropped the sea, which is something even the mighty and illuminated Adepti of the south that Fujin praises for being so powerful, were in awe to witness.
Also her losing her mind to idea of coveting the seat of Archonhood to the extent of trying to go down with her people while he went through the war under the motto off I wish not for dominion, yet I cannot let the common folk suffer sets the real tone of who cares truly about humanity the most, thus who is actually the closest to be an ''emissary'' than the other if you get what I mean 😅🤷♂
No way finally, some youtubers talks about this theory. I hope this blows out.
Because i still hold a firm and solid belief that Decabtian are one of the original Anemo Archon.
My feeling is that even the dragons themselves had the 'authority' and when they were killed or voluntarily gave their "authority" away (the geo one I suspect at least) then the primordial one simply reallocated this to another entity that was either MADE by their shades or to a creature that existed already in teyvat. So these were effectively archons as holders of this elemental authority.
When focalors seat was destroyed the authority over that element was returned to nuevillette as his spirit was the same as the original hydro sovereign.
In some ways it's possible that ALL the sovereigns that were killed in the primordial one takeover were actually reborn in the next samsara, and whether they survived the samsara or perished and were reborn their spirit is the same.
The question still remains as to whether the dragons themselves were actually the original elemental authority holders or usurped them from some earlier incarnations.
I don't know where to start hahahah. Oh!, of course… Great video as always Shadow, everything shows hours of dedication, that's really amazing.
Second, Your theory makes sense, my early thougts are with the "archon" title itself. I think Archons were known (by teyvat people) when the gnosis were just created. Before that, this gods were, like you said, the "chosen" ones. I think this is important because a lot of things changed after archon war.
As a Remurian lore enthusiast I can complement your theory saying that Remus became a forced Hydro "Archon" when he "Took/stole/received?" the Primordial grail from the already imprisoned Egeria (my theory is that this was the "shard" or authority that is mentioned in Fontain's wings, to became the actual hydro "archon"). That's also explains why Erinnyes and the others Oceanids wanted the grail, and that's why in the vessel of "Song of Days Past" set says at the end: "'Twas not until twilight's end that she (Erinnyes) finally realized, just what that "primordial chalice" actually was…". Finally, that also explains why Remus is considered a usurper.
I just got one question, what was the event that ends the archon war?.
Geez no I feel under pressure to say something.
Well I don't think anything of the Decarabian thing. I mean if he was an archon and had his seat destroyed then that means there could never be another Anemo Archon so – theory contradicts itself. As for Egeria Nevillette says she made the Oceanid-human hybrids after she became Archon. Sure you claim she was an Archon in the "original" set of Archons but the problem is that we know she was in the Seven. So are we supposed to believe she was in both sets of Archons? Contradiction.
These are the only two that have ANY sort of in game contextual mention or hint, strained as they are. For the rest they are just guesses so there's little point in proving they cannot be right because of course the answer back can just be "oh well I guess the original Archon was someone else then". Rather the problem is that it's all too easy because in this theory being an archon is emptied of all meaning. Archon now means nothing more than "god". Why not just say all gods are/were archons? Havria was an Archon, Orobashi was an Archon, maybe some gods were two or three Archons at the same time? and why not? the word "Archon" means nothing. Archons no longer need an Ars Goetia name. Archons no longer need to rule over a nation. Archons no longer need to be powerful. They are no longer chosen in the Archon war. They don't have Gnoses. They don't have Statues of Seven. They don't have to be seven of them as Gnosticism predicts.
16:25 And no the "first iteration of the Seven" means the first and does not mean the second. It would have been better to argue that Ganyu was ignorant of any older Archons and so speaks falsely unintentionally. Unfortunately of course everyone is ignorant and not merely a 4000-odd years old Adeptus like Ganyu. Nobody's heard of any of them. Nobody can account for why they all disappeared. What were they supposed to do? Who could have removed them all? And why? There's nothing. And if they had existed then why were they not replaced the same way the "modern" day Archons are replaced if they die?
You're going to get heat from the Zhongli lovers for suggesting he wasn't older than dirt.
There's no such thing as ancient Archons in teyvat. lmao
I don't think gods like Decarabian and Kapatcir had the Elemental(Dragon) Authorities.
Egeria was the only exception, because with the original Hydro dragon dead, someone needed to wield the power ON Teyvat, so that the Hydro elemental energies(especially the Primordial Sea) and creatures wouldn't go haywire.
Your confusion stems from a misunderstanding, there are many elemental gods on Teyvat, or at least used to be, but being a god and holding a Dragon Authority are two different things.
Also, wasn't Rukkhadevata's story that she refused any dealings with Celestia during the Archon War, but when Deshret went insane because of forbidden knowledge, she then accepted the Gnosis and its Authority in order to save Sumeru?
The Honeyed Final Feast is a misdirection, Malikata arrived way later and the Dendro power and Authority are one and the same, it couldn't be shared. Remember that Deshret could use all the elements and even the Primal light energy that constitutes the elemental powers.
Celestial Envoys used to be everywhere, from Sal Vindagnyr to the ruined cities under Inazuma, all across Teyvat. They don't indicate who held the Dragon Authorities.
Oh, and Zhongli has been merely dwelling on Teyvat for 6000 years, he was clearly part of Celestia's envoy and lived there before.