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great theory aster
but if alice is ascender it wouldnt make sense why she would team up with rhinedottir or nicole
who seem to want to change fate and lawd of teyvat made by phanes
I think when Alice is talking about Dragons on Earth she's pretty clearly talking about Dinosaurs.
What if she IS the heavenly principles? The unknown god does have physical similarities to klee and it would explain both why the heavenly principles has been inactive recently and why we've never met Alice. Maybe she's been pulling the strings since long before Genshin even started. Maybe us being locked away, our sibling joining the abyss, and our journey since are all part of her plan to rebel against and destroy Celestia?
13:04 "Like codes in the desert"? What?
1:38 Alice is definitely talking about dinosaurs
Awsome lore aside your talent as a va is on display at full here! great job aster!
Alice is very mysterious even for people who played previous Hoyoverse games, she has almost no similarities with any previous character even when there are many other multiverse traveling characters. So this can mean that she really is someone who originated from Teyvat and ascended from here to travel the multiverse.
The only Honkai character that have any similarity at this point is Elysia, who's an elf and Elys sounds like Alice, but there's no similarity beyond this. There's no character named Alice, have the same VA or personality.
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The problem with seeing Alice as a descender (beyond the fact that Mona appears able to scry her) is that when she talks about other worlds she only talks about one world and that is some sort of Earth-like world, and most likely Earth itself. And Earth-like worlds do not have Elves. Therefore as an Elf, Alice cannot have been born on such an Earth-like world. Where do Elves come from? If they originated on another world the way humans did, then all the Elves would have to be descendants of a one time alien who came to Teyvat at some point in the distant past. But since Elves are so long lived and don't appear to have many kids, that event would have to be thousands of years ago to allow for apparently unrelated Elves like Alice, Layla, Pulcinella and Thunder Elves.
The problem with seeing Alice as an ascender and unique is that we're told that Tengu warriors can visit other worlds. While Sara is perhaps too young to be able to do it, and possibly Tengu Warriors can't do it any more due to mixed blood reducing their power – something that seems to afflict many types of youkai – traveling to other worlds is just a thing that some people could do in Inazuma. Traveler is mistaken for a Tengu Warrior on this basis.
I feel that if Alice shows up, it'll be in one of hyv's other games first, likely HSR, before coming to Genshin. Just like Welt in HSR is the same Welt from Honkai Impact 3rd, Alice in HSR will be the same character that will eventually appear in Genshin.
The dragons on earth sound like dinosaurs xd
I wonder who will talk about Alice when her banner comes out)))
Aster i think she meant dinosaurs and their link to chickens
3:14 ALICE IS YOUKARI, I KNEW IT!
There was a not too old theory that the recreated dinosaurs were actually full feathers
to think of it in fontaine we will probably meet nicole who could give us some insights on alice. but knowing hoyoverse… idk. she is intriguing literally every player
I didn’t think we knew who the decenders were other then Traveler and Aloy. Nahida hypothesized that Heavenly Principles was the 1st. Traveler is 4th. Sibling is 0 Aloy would be 5th would she not cause she came after.
Who’s 2nd and 3rd? Some people speculate that Zhonglie is one.
She’s long-lived, has a lot of knowledge, etc, a possibility to flick on the proverbial wall- she ascended during the Unified Civilization/Divine Envoy era…?
I've actually read a book where dragons were basically chickens
I like to think Alice's husband looks like Otto Apocalypse from Honkai Impact 3rd (or Luocha from Star Rail lol).
The dragons from the kfc wings were probably dinosaurs lmao
for me, it makes more sense to Alice be an Ascender but i think she does/did so without Celestia permission, and she's now "hiding" from Celestia. That way, it's easier to explain why she doesn't personally visit Klee on a regular basis and why the twins were able to get to teyvat without ever meeting/interacting with her when they first descended to teyvat. And it would also explain why she's friends with rhinedottir and still talks about her in a friendly matter even after the cataclysm.
Alice gives me the same vibes as Accord from the Drakennier series.
When you have non-canon contents in a serie, theses parts still follow the universe logic. What I mean is even if Aloy don't exist in the story, the explanations of her presence can totally be accurate and reliable
Dragons instead of chickens? Now I want Kentucky Fried Dragon. ( I started after the event)
I love your videos thank you for the effort put into them
I SEE KLEE I CLICK
Please just give me Elysia expy Alice, thats all I need Mihoyo.
Great video!
Don't forget that she might have been the "Eris" mentioned in Enkanomiya.
Klee's new outfit is probably based on Alice's. I wonder what kind of mischief the two of them can get up to. They'd probably need redraw parts of the map afterwards.
First of all, it has never been said in the game that Alice travels to another world, in fact it is still not known how she knows about other worlds and if she really travels, although who knows if she will use the same magic that is They were used in Khaenria to open portals to another world, although of course, unlike Khaenria, he was not looking for energy from the abyss, but rather to explore other worlds, although it may also be that he invoked things from other worlds.
According to Yae Miko in Ascension Phase 4, she says this:
"Attaining the rank of "Meikai" requires one to decipher the workings of the world, transcend its limitations, and fathom all phenomena within. Usually, any who reach this level are granted a Vision and a lifespan far beyond that of the average kitsune. "
This suggests that characters like Saigoo, Yae Miko and the circle of witches, for now, managed to transcend and become promoted, so we see that several witches have a very long life, some even easily exceed the average life of humans.
this also includes the adeptus of liyue and possibly some wise men of sumeru, of course not the current ones but those of more beginning, in mondstatds this venessa.
I once theorized about the possibility of Istaroth being Alice,
After all, we have seen once a divinity undercovered as a normal person like Rex Incognito,
What if she's tainted with more curiosity about humans than her duty as a Heavenly principle, that will explain her sudden disappearing and her longevity, also, all that comfort traveling between worlds it's not normal for the history itself, it's super sus,
She is an ascender definitively or a trascender?
Here is a good question, who is her husband…
Ascender
What if she is seen as both? Obviously only one is potentially right, but she might be seen as both. The Abyss Sibling (Aether if you chose Lumine/Lumine if you chosr Aether) appeared in Khaenriah and than Teyvat: seeing possibly where present Mondstatd or near it was in the cataclysm. What if a descender appeared where most of Teyvet never went, such as the Dark Sea or other *We Can't Go There area.. Irminsul only records what people have said/done. If she is an Ascender she was more than Mondstatd of her time or the Knights wanted to deal with/confront which for Alice may have included Varka; compare it to how Klee is treated- she damned up a river, and all they do is "put her in time out". If she gained a non-Teyvat view or habits/views by visiting other worlds few would consider her from Teyvat even if she were. Alternately, what if the registered Descenders and the "Ascenders" as you call them are just two parts of a larger picture, with more layers and essential pieces than we know. As Genshin both shows and suggests that as much as we are aware of more layers and details are still unknown in the lore (with several things seemingly fitting a suggested role before they reveal what in time it actually means).
Aster you are so damn amazing and intelligent one of my favourite content creators, you are an inspiration and so cool.
I’m not sure what the truth is but I like this video and you have some strong points
I mean…… if celestia chose alice to protect teyvat from whatever thing , they would probably give her some powers which one of them could be to resist the effect of irminsul
I NEED Alice crossover in HSR
What if Irminsul has no effect on you when you're outside Teyvat? Like even if Alice was native to Teyvat, if she was on another planet when Irminsul was altered, maybe the alteration had no effect on her.
Like Shen He, I'm betting Hoyoverse is going to make her a support despite having quasi-archon level powers, lore-wise.
Please don't.
I can't wait to fnally meet Alice… when she shows up for the first time in Honkai: Star Rail as a random background NPC…..😢
Headcanon:
Considering everything that we know about Alice today, my guess about the main reason why she gave Klee to the Knights of Favonius instead of raising her herself like what a mother suppose to do its because of a possible fact that she is being hunted down by the Higher Gods of Celestia itself ( possibly the likes of the Sustainer ), not to mention the fact that she is friends with Gold of Khaenriah and she doesnt want Klee to be dragged into the mess she was involved with.
I think only the "ascender" can break through lvl 90 to 100.
Aster might I ask also who the heck is Klee's dad? 😅
Alice went to the world of Monster Hunter fr
I think Alice is a middle-aged American man that doesn't like pickles
Ascenders? Decenders? What is this, Teyvat Elevator Simulator!?
I think the kfc gliders dragons is refrence to dinosaurs in our world and their evolution to birds.