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why you spoiling the game in the intro dude!!!!!
For Furina, I feel like I don't understand how to use her when doing trial versions like with Neuvillette, which is why my opinion of me pulling her in the future is quite low. I don't like her draining HP on other characters, which is why I'm not a fan. I like good strength, defense, speed, EM, and Burst, and decent healing. So, I guess people's biases as well as personal values will reflect the playstyle when playing Genshin.
Furina is bis for Ayaka, I can hit 100k skill damage with her and 30k+ autos with her n shenhe, can’t do that with any other team, and I’ve tried
Paimon is kinda cute
I agree with you in everything except myth #3 🙂
I find him better and easier to play in most teams I use
i think the Xingqiu vs Yelan debate is just stupid, because they just have different roles that have a some overlap. Also yes you can still say Geo as an element is inherently bad, but you can make a unit of a bad element good by giving the unit enough raw stats.
imo geo is just bad. just give navia hydro element, she'll definitely be stronger than her geo version
Almost regretting pulling yelan, rarely use her in abyss and XQ is here for me all the time
To me, nahida still the best
Geo is ass and worst element
for me geois more like physical, and the geo reaction itself doesnt boost team offensive. anemo also has 1 reaction but its a very strong offensive one. i think geo can have less reaction but at least an offensive reaction or an offensive support reaction. maybe something like geo, dendro, hydro makes a tree thats spawn cores periodically and the cores can all deal dmg at the same time. jello: furina best in slot…..me yayyyy so for ayaka then he says second for ayaka, me :((((((((. now im evenfighting more the urge getting kazuha lol
About the Xianyun one, I agree! Now you don’t have to use venti’s held skill for budget Xiao lol😂
Geo is bad, Navia is good despite being geo and Zhongli is only good because the cn players basically blackmail the genshin devs with anti patriotism threats.
I think that the game already has an "unga-bunga" element of sorts besides Geo; Physical. Hoyo just hasn't done anything with Physical in such a long time and instead have grafted what should have been Physical's traits onto Geo.
When Yelan released so many were like nah you can't use her with HuTao she can't vape every CA.. meanwhile I was there vaping every CA every single time.
The only difference is you need to have hydro on the enemy before you use HuTao skill with Yelan, while with XQ you don't.
That's a downside for AoE and multiwaves, but single target / bosses is no problem.
I slightly disagree on Furina though, but not really with your argument.
She might be BiS for many teams, but I also feel like there are few teams which aren't already fully functional without Furina, just because of XQ Yelan existing.
The only one on my account is Navia, she just feels bad without Furina since there aren't other great Geo buffers. And even then, Yelan does give a smaller buff too.
Furina mostly just takes that already functional team from 9 to 10 and I'm not sure I would call that the "best". Unlike say Nahida who enables like 10 or more teams by herself.
thank you someone finally said
Geo is not bad
Noelle-healer, shielder, DPS
Zhongli-best shield
Yunjin-great buffer + atk speed
Gorou-excellent def Geo support
Itto-excellent main DPS
Navia-excellent nuke DPS
Chiori-support, buffer, DPS
I literally didn't pull for Chiori because I only have Yun Jin, Gorou, Ningguang and Navia. I don't have Daddy Geo like I wanna be able to make use of Chiori's kit without hving to go for C1.
Something I think should be brought up is that looking solely at waifu over meta or meta over waifu for who to pull has its own problems. I think for some players waifu,meta, and playstyle should be considered as a whole.
I like Ganyu as a character but her teams and gameplay are too restrictive. If you take her damage into account, it's usually underwhelming. You can invest more into them to improve it but that doesn't benefit too much to anyone else on your account which you may also like. Sometimes restricting your investment to one thing can make the game needlessly harder and more tedious
Then you have Kokomi which is a strong support that can deal some good damage. She benefits quite a bit of other characters as well. Problem I have with her is I really don't like her. I got her for meta reasons but she is my 2nd biggest regret. I'm also not a fan of her gameplay. While she can fit on many teams, it feels like it just boils down to doing the same thing each time on each one. It's why even though she is incredibly good, she is nearly permanently benched on my account
In Heizou's case, I enjoy his playstyle and his character. While I can have fun using him, his damage is so low he needs more supports to account for it. That leaves my other characters I also want to play with less possible supports.This usually makes playing those other characters less fun to play
Of course these issues can be fixed with spending more money. I just think for those that are light spenders or F2P should consider what they're getting into if they're trying to enjoy 36 starring each abyss consistently
(If you're just waifu collecting tho, everything I just said doesn't mean shit. Pull for whatever you want)
"Best character" is always going to matter on context. If you're looking for who will add the most damage to the team, then Furina easily has that honor. But if you are in a situation where survivability is difficult, Furina actively hurts you in that scenario. This is why I still think Xingqiu is the best character in the game (and by extension, also better than Yelan). Regardless of whether you need offense or defense, Xingqiu will always contribute to that goal. Furina and Yelan may do a better job on offense, but a dead character gives 0 dps and you would need other characters on the team to cover the defensive aspect for them.
Xianyun has quickly become one of my favourite characters, didn’t expect to like her so much
Real myth is the free 5* every anniversary 😅😅😅
I do not agree that some of the myths really exist. Never heard that hyperfridge is OP. Xingqiu is not said to be better than Yelan, he is said to be comfier in some aggressive content and with melee characters. Furina is actually the best, I have never heard there is a better character, I'd rather avoid comparing her strength against Nahida's, they are both incredible,but they are not directly competing against each other.
Interesting takes…. #1 is obviously true, it's a mathematical fact that those talent priorities are messed up.
About Geo/#2: I think the issue is that if you're talking about a character like Navia or Zhongli, they're good despite being Geo, not because they are Geo. If Navia had the same damage output but was Hydro instead she'd be significantly better, and similarly if Zhongli was Anemo instead. Their numbers and kit are raised because they have to to compensate for the fact they're Geo.
XQ vs Yelan/#3: Not gonna comment lmao bc personally I think the answer is "it depends"- I think that XQ being a 4 star makes a peer comparison kind of impossible, at least without getting into the 5 star vs 4 star cons debate. But I think in terms of "resume"- like how much they can offer in one unit, I do think XQ has more to offer especially at C6 over C0 Yelan.
Hyperfridge/#4: Personally I don't think this team is anywhere near popular enough for it to be a myth. The only person I know who likes it is Zajef and he does it bc he likes playing weird teams and he thinks it's comfy due to having freeze.
Xianyun/#5: She's not niche in the sense that she can work with anyone, but what she enables (plunge) can be seen as niche because not every character desires plunge. I do also think a lot of her teams are a bit overrated and "sheet-dps"-y, Diluc plunge sheets very well but in reality the aura esp in single target is very awkward. Hu Tao Plunge is great but its not necessarily easy to play optimally due to the hydro aura issue between plunges 2 and 3 and the difficulty of getting 6 plunges vs 5.
Furina/#6: I think there's a bit of a bias here in that we played a lot of teams before Furina, and then when Furina came out all of a sudden these teams all had a raise in DPS. So in the sense of a ceiling-raiser, she is probably the single most versatile and biggest one since the game came out. But I think only looking at DPS ceilings is being too narrow-minded- Furina does not consolidate AoE or group, she does not make or break a team generally, etc., in other words her potential is only reflected in damage calcs. Someone like Nahida or Kazuha for example make clears easier partially in a way that cannot be quantified. My opinion is that it's too close to call between Nahida, Furina, and Kazuha for the best 5 star in the game (I don't think peer comparisons with 4 stars are possible)
Bennett/#6b: I agree for sure- Bennett had a big resurgence post-Fontaine and still is one of the 4 stars that has not had any 5 star alternative.
I was pleasantly surprised when my random plunge Kazuha team on the first half cleared faster than my hyperbloom team in all of floor 12. Easy 36 star with small vertical investment.
Plunge neuvillette is also surprisingly… Strong, I know. It’s dumb but it’s true
I disagree that you judge an element by the characters and not the reactions. Geo is definitely still horrible as an element. Navia and Zhongli are good DESPITE being geo, not because they are geo. Zhongli is a shield bot and navia just has extremely high multipliers on her skill. That has nothing to do with geo, you could make Navia and Zhongli any element and they would be good with they way their kits are designed. If Navia and Zhongli were different elements, they would be better characters. Imagine if navia could vape her skill or Zhongli could apply off field pyro and melt with his burst.
On another note, hydro traveler is dogshite bad, but guess what? They're still hydro. One of the main reasons they're looked at as bad as they are, outside of the kit itself, is because of their competition. Take all of the other hydro characters out of the game, except hydro traveler and hydro traveler becomes one of, if not, the most used character in the game, why? Because hydro as an element is simply that useful as a catalyst for crazy reactions. I don't know who is considered the worst geo character, but let's pick on ningguang using the same logic. With the game as it is, I would consider Ningguang better than hydro traveler. But take all of the other geo characters out of the game, except her, and nobody would still use ningguang because geo as an element is not good because it does not work with other elements well.
Tldr: geo has a few good characters despite them being geo, but is still bad because it's usefulness as an element is very low compared to other elements.
I overstand people claiming Geo doesn't have the crystalize reaction. It is a reaction.
10:08 Saying Furina is BiS for Furina is definitely not true if you've tried Furina in coop (having some fun here–I realize it was just a slip). Furina's personal dmg, buffing, healing, and even water-walking is canceled out by other Furinas in the party. She has by far the worst synergy with herself.
I agree with your #2 myth in general, but I disagree with what you say at 3:16. Geo is only as strong as the characters that has it, yes, but that is not the case for any other element. If Yelan had the exact same kit with the same scalings but was Geo, she would be not even be half as good. Thoma, for example, would've been a decent character if he were Hydro or dendro, but the slow application provides nothing with the pyro element (besides burgeon recently).
in defense of hyperfridge, or the fridge interaction in general
1. saying hyperfridge is useless just because Nahida exists is stupid because, well, quick reminder that people who don't own Nahida exist? free to play players who maybe lost their 50/50s or prioritize saving for their favorite characters, or just people who don't like Nahida in general, for example like you don't like using male dps characters, I've seen people not want to use child characters. sure, the fridge interaction might be more "useless" if you have Nahida, but there's loads of people out there having to rely on dmc or collei for their dendro application.
2. plus, I know that it's unlikely, but let's say you do have a nahida, and hypothetically your account is free to play and focused mostly on dendro reactions. well, you still need two teams for the abyss, and you can only have one nahida. what then? if you're using Nahida for something like nillou in the first side, and you only have dmc and collei left… hyperfridge would still be something to look into if you only had one of the two built and a decent cryo character with no shenhe
3. even if you're using Nahida, I'd say the fridge interaction can still be useful. after all, although you don't need the interaction anymore thanks to Nahida's dendro application, you're still getting freeze, which can be quite useful to not take damage in teams if no defensive utility, or just not deal with enemies annoying attacks in general. you could maybe make a case that since hyperbloom is single target you wouldn't be using it against freezable mobs. that'd be correct, for hyperbloom. but if we are talking about fridge in general, what about oven (burgeon fridge)? it's aoe, so you'd be using against such enemies, plus the cryo can cleanse the accidental burning if you don't have great hydro application, which is one of the downsides of burgeon in the first place. if the cryo character in built for damage, you'd be getting some nice melts too.
overall, I say that fridge is still worth looking into, even after Nahida's release. It might not be the most useful, but it still has it's upsides and can help a lot of non Nahida owners
but I do agree with salad (anemo hyperbloom). if someone doesn't own kuki nor raiden, sure, but if you do it's just not worth it. I'm not a big fan of it, but it's not absolutely useless either, it can be at least fun for some people
1. That was a thing? It’s quite obvious NA gives more for characters who use them as their main dmg source
2. While i agree that people are being negative about new characters just because they are Geo, in Navia’s case it was the fact that she is a third geo claymore user and a lot of people don’t like claymores more than Geo and also…the Hoyo community doompost every single character every single time, calling them mid and whatever before doing 180 and call them cracked when they actually release, that is nothing new
Yes, Navia is amazing, very strong and fun to play, Chiori is one of the best off field dps but that is more because of their own merits, they are good characters
Geo as an element is still pretty bad and the rest of its roster is pretty mediocre with only Noelle being the standout, maybe Itto but he is just dmg and other Geo do more than him now
And yes, i still think Zhongli is a dps loss and reflects his personality into gameplay, making the game extremely boring…
3. I agree, Yelan is much better than XQ, he is still good and together they are insane but when choosing only one, it’s always Yelan
XQ’s defensive utility is overrated, his CDs are annoyingly long and he is definitely not the best character in the game, not even close
4. Eh, that team is fun but HB and aggravate are better cus they are more specialized imo
5. She is a niche that became a playstyle, she allows almost anyone to deal good dmg but in a niche way
I don’t enjoy the plunge gameplay at all personally so even tho i love Xianyun as a character and could use her to replace Jean in my Navia team…i chose not to cus it would be a waste
6. Six? Alright
Furina is the best but at C0, her Fanfare stacks are harder to get and a lot of people don’t play it optimally, healing when they are not actually at around 50% but way sooner so they get stack way slower
Seen people saying bennett is better and…i can’t take them seriously, Furina buffs everything and everyone and does crapton of dmg for the whole time, bennett gives ATK to one character in a small circle, big whoop…also kills a lot of people with his pyro aura lol
And his healing is really awkward to use with Furina, he is the worst healer for her teams
bro, geo only has 2 good and mainly versatile characters, geo not reacting with other elements is a bad thing, apart from the ship there is no other geo that without niched buffers will give a lot of damage, chiori is only better than albedo in terms of damage, otherwise she is worse, besides being better than albedo is not a difficult task, since the ridiculously stronger 4 stars
In what way is Yelan better than Xingqiu in Bloom variations? If we talk about solo hydro performance, in Hyperbloom you simply generate less seeds and the damage bonus doesn’t benefit the hyperbloom damage, the only variation where she CAN be better involve Alhaitham and that assumes higher investment where his damage actually matters, F2P Alhaitham investment with average artefacts tend to prefer Xingqiu unless you have Elegy on Yelan. In Burgeon shes way worse and doesn’t even work solo since burning aura is hard to remove if your hydro app isn’t high enough. In Nilou bloom you also lose out on cores and here (and in Burgeon) the damage reduction from Xingqiu matters a lot.
Myth 4 is a funny thing to say is a myth lol
Xyanyun is niche because she need furina almost always… And that is so sad, if only she buffed like Kaz instead of healing…
Myth #6: The weapon banner is not a scam, it's actually a gift.
….from Satan.
My Navia C6 Noelle team is recking souls. but why listen to me 🙂
i would like to be interest from where this myth come from lol
Yelan is better in 99% of combat, open world, farming, anyone that says otherwise most likely didn’t build her, also… Yelan has a crazy C1 and C2 at that point no comparison.
Xianyun is literally top 5 best open world supports in the game end of story, she can do all roles in one,
Can be useful in every team. And with C1 is faster than all your other characters bro… pull.
Navia is not a geo character she’s a shotgun character it’s different so OP.
Furina is literally crying because you didn’t pull her… fix that.
Good point about Geo! I think a wise man once said about Geo "judge not an element by the color of its damage, but by the content of its characters"
Sorry couldn't resist that Cyno level dad joke 😂