I like how the Try Hards and content creators try to slander Zhongli constantly as "not a good pickup" or "not really worth getting" since he "doesn't add much to the team" but he's constantly used lol. "He's a dps loss"…you know what else is? Dying. My Zhongli can toss 250k meatballs with a build that can still be juiced. Yes, he does borrow Hu Tao's homa, but it's whatever…that's it, that's the only thing except for crowning his talents that gives him that potential. No constellation other than his C5 boosts his burst lol. I guess a free giant aoe that does 200k to 250k in one blow is "weak"…but then the same person will say some dumb shit like how a 750k strike in ST is "good" when it's the same fking number just split in three.
No wonder Aloy is always on the bottom; Nearly everybody has her, but nearly nobody uses her. I actually find her very fun to use against these snake-like bosses, because they're more likely to hit her bomblets
I'm here giving a view just to say that usage rates are in a start fake and non-reliable with no source that only missleads people that care about this kind of info that is not even real, just to justify their "meta" point of view, and that I'm not gonna see any usage rates videos non give them a vie from here in forward
ok but Neuv is just so boring to play in the abyss that he's not my comfort pick. My go tos are Nilou Baizhu Nahida Kokomi and Ganyu Diona Bennett Jean – both are strong, fun, and super tanky teams. Nevu only comes out for floor 11 cuz Nilou and defend the monument don't mix
I just use Nilou Bloom team (Nilou, Nahida, Xingqiu and Yao2x) and Neuvillette Premium team (Neuv, Fur, Kaz and Baiz) to clear the Abyss. no need to stress my self to use other characters who are frickin slow.
Funnily enough, I made Navia + Cloud Retainer build (60 lvl 1/1/6 CR by the way, God I love characters that are great even unbuilt) and cleared second half with it easily. Much easier than with my standard Alhaitham Hyperbloom. I mean, if I had Diluc built he would do it even better but it's still imo very strong Navia team, because her plunges are much stronger than her NAs.
I can't say I'm surprised by Navia's drop. At C0, she's not THAT powerful, she's kinda boring, and more importantly, this Abyss didn't favor her. She's bad at the multi-target side of the Abyss, due to the nature of her E. And the boss side, where she should excel? Two of the three fly. Her E does not handle flying enemies well. Heck, certain anemo characters can mess up her ability to clear domains easily, though that's typically only an issue for co-op, since you're unlikely to team her with anemos. Overall, content creators overhyped her a bit, and now we're starting to see her use rate reflect the practical reality of her kit.
With Gaming, you skip another major factor: he's a four star DPS. DPS characters are the most common ones out there, so he has a lot of competition due to that, and a very big chunk of those DPS characters are five star ones. And most of those aren't of the pogo-style. You think he's low now? Wait until next Abyss.
I wouldn't say that Yae's usage rate is tied to Tiggy's. She's good against the underground enemies period, as her turrets will attack them even when they are underground. Give her a second source of damage, like Nahida or Furina, and you are set. This Abyss layout is about as favorable of one as you can get for her.
I think one other factor that majorly plays into usage rates is public perception. Like if the thunderbird shows up, people will tend to use Yoimiya, because she's perceived as a good character to use against the bird, in part due to it being one case where she outshone Hu-Tao. But since her release, we've had a lot of other characters added to the game, and quite a few of these also make it easy to defeat the bird. But the perception hasn't changed from "Yoimiya makes bird easy" to "bird is easy for tons of characters". This also turns into a bit of a feedback loop, where people will use what other people say works, even though they probably have access to other options that will work as well or better for their account.
I think Gaming is so low because all the recent characters are locked behind the new weekly boss 😫🥲 I'm still trying to bring up Cloud Retainer's talents, with Charlotte and Chevreuse also wanting that boss' drops. Gaming is just lower down the list, so he will take a while to be useable. For me, at least. Heaven help people who pulled for even more recent characters. I hate that narwhal 😆
I think you need to reconsider how your define carry around 3:58 when you skip Yae and go to speak about Raiden. Being the onfield unit is one thing and being a carry is another. Yae for example is a carry, even if she is offfield/doesn't benefit from being onfield.
2:55 Nanah!!!! Idk what's wrong with the world, but if you got c1 neuvi, Best DMG team is Neuvi Kazuha ZHONGLI ( w/petra ) Furina. 90k-100k per tick on abyss 12-3-1.
i have a c0r1 navia with a top 1% build and i stopped using her because i dont have another geo character raised (no zhongli, albedo, etc.). i do have a c6 ning but while in the process of raising her, i realized how bad she felt to use and would rather just use a c2 furina team,
however, there are so many other fun and better teams that can use c2 furina. navia was cool in the beginning, but it got quite stale after a few weeks. coupled with the fact that i wont ever pull for any of her current best geo teammates, i simply dropped her for more enjoyable chars/teams.
i dont mind having her but i already have my few fav chars so it's gonna be hard for me to pick her back up since nothing stands out (character design to actual gameplay)
Amber not being the last, warms my heart. But yes, Furina, Nahida and Kazuha are the 3 best 5star characters overall, imo. And Xingchiu, Xiangling and Bennett the best 4 stars.
the funny thing is, this is my first time using xiao in the abyss since.. well since getting a better dps- he was one of my very early characters and I had him with I think albedo, sayu and.. bennett? Idk man it was a while ago. might’ve had qiqi too
the funnier thing is I couldn’t clear floor 12 with him, but. I could clear it pretty easy with dps kazuha.. only swapping faruzan for bennett they’re both triple crowned I find this hilarious since xiao is typically considered one of the better anemo dps
I don't know why but this abyss was very unforgiving to my navia. I have her 63:230 cv with double pyro which has been more than enough for previous abyss runs. But for some reason I almost never crit in this new abyss. I opted to use Raiden, Benny, chev and xianling. Which works great on first half. Then neuvilette, furina on second.
Tbh, for me i think Fontaine carries are quite good and strong but they kinda lack flavor 😓! Like Navia is locked in double pyro most of the time Lyney too while Neuvilette gameplay is kinda boring to me sadly, unlike Haitham, Scara, Wrio, Nilou, Ayato, Hutao or Childe who have versatile gameplay or teams. The only units i went for from Fonataine are Wriothesley and Furina.
Unlike Inazuma or Sumeru who i have most of them 🤔. People keep praising and forcing the narrative about Fontaine being f2p or easy characters and more fun while it’s not they’re good but not better than the rest
not surprised by lyney but personally my national team with him is CRAZY. it literally destroys everything, the rotation is basically impossible to mess up, such a strong and easy comp!
"oh but he's a charged attack user, bad playstyle"
i never really find myself using his charged attacks? i usually just do 1 or 2 at the very beginning to start stacking but imo he is strong enough to carry with just his skin and and burst, not to mention all the damage coming from xiangling??
especially against those kinds of bosses that disappear in the ground and are impossible to attack, i use this free time to stack lyney's CA so that he's gonna deal more damage later.
I love looking at these charts when they come out and I show them to new players a lot, both as a quick reference for “meta teams’ but also to show how fake the idea of meta is in this game in general. I’d love to see another video on this comparing how drastically different abyss enemies can effect what the usage rates look like (like that hilarious one where nahida national topped the usage chart)
I have a feeling Hydro abyss heralds are going to return because of Neuvillette and Furina. Water Tupa wasn't enough.
On a side note, it feels nice being in the minority who uses Charlotte, Yoimiya and Chev(obviously not on the same team)
… Not at all shocked Nahida and Furina are top. As they're the best units in the game. Does make me wonder what the Pyro Archon will do. Excited to see
genshin players are probably falling back to comfort teams because they just wanna get back to playing other games ASAP hahahahaha (it's me, I'm genshin players)
I feel like there should be 2 usage charts. This one plus another one that shows total usage without considering who you own/don't own and analyze the differences.
These Abyss Usage Rate charts are not accurate. But they’re not completely wrong either.
After some patches past a character’s banner is the more reliable way of determining a character’s Abyss usage rate. When all the *“fluff”* is gone, a character’s general standing will eventually show. A character’s true mettle is tested when advantages catered around their release are gone.
What are these possible fluffs? – *Character Recency Bias* (how new a character is) – *Banner Recency Bias* (how current a banner is) – *Abyssal Moon Blessing* (catered usually to certain characters) – *Lineup of Abyss enemies* (catered usually to certain characters’ kit)
Wipe the dust off a window and you’ll see a clearer view of the outside.
She's good in all these teams, but my Xiangling, Furina and Yae all have better teams. Idk there's not much of a reason to use her. I was really hoping that Chiori would be a navia support but it doesn't look that way sadge
Ig it doesn't really matter since i can 36 star with her, but i just kinda wish i had a go to Navia team
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I like how the Try Hards and content creators try to slander Zhongli constantly as "not a good pickup" or "not really worth getting" since he "doesn't add much to the team" but he's constantly used lol. "He's a dps loss"…you know what else is? Dying. My Zhongli can toss 250k meatballs with a build that can still be juiced. Yes, he does borrow Hu Tao's homa, but it's whatever…that's it, that's the only thing except for crowning his talents that gives him that potential. No constellation other than his C5 boosts his burst lol. I guess a free giant aoe that does 200k to 250k in one blow is "weak"…but then the same person will say some dumb shit like how a 750k strike in ST is "good" when it's the same fking number just split in three.
No wonder Aloy is always on the bottom; Nearly everybody has her, but nearly nobody uses her. I actually find her very fun to use against these snake-like bosses, because they're more likely to hit her bomblets
As a wrio main. Im only using C1 wrio to actually solo the abyss which is good enough than c6
That’s wild I haven’t touched my Zhongli in at least a year
I'm here giving a view just to say that usage rates are in a start fake and non-reliable with no source that only missleads people that care about this kind of info that is not even real, just to justify their "meta" point of view, and that I'm not gonna see any usage rates videos non give them a vie from here in forward
ok but Neuv is just so boring to play in the abyss that he's not my comfort pick. My go tos are Nilou Baizhu Nahida Kokomi and Ganyu Diona Bennett Jean – both are strong, fun, and super tanky teams. Nevu only comes out for floor 11 cuz Nilou and defend the monument don't mix
I just use Nilou Bloom team (Nilou, Nahida, Xingqiu and Yao2x) and Neuvillette Premium team (Neuv, Fur, Kaz and Baiz) to clear the Abyss. no need to stress my self to use other characters who are frickin slow.
Great video! Can you do this for future patches as well?
Bro where is the main character though? It should honestly be everyone's goal to clear out abyss with the traveler in order to make it canon.
another shitty usage rate
Great info
This abyss was the only one where i actually stuck to my formations i picked all the way to floor 12.
I think imho am happy about it.
Funnily enough, I made Navia + Cloud Retainer build (60 lvl 1/1/6 CR by the way, God I love characters that are great even unbuilt) and cleared second half with it easily. Much easier than with my standard Alhaitham Hyperbloom. I mean, if I had Diluc built he would do it even better but it's still imo very strong Navia team, because her plunges are much stronger than her NAs.
My Baizhu and Neuvillette aren't allowed to leave anyss
I can't say I'm surprised by Navia's drop. At C0, she's not THAT powerful, she's kinda boring, and more importantly, this Abyss didn't favor her. She's bad at the multi-target side of the Abyss, due to the nature of her E. And the boss side, where she should excel? Two of the three fly. Her E does not handle flying enemies well. Heck, certain anemo characters can mess up her ability to clear domains easily, though that's typically only an issue for co-op, since you're unlikely to team her with anemos. Overall, content creators overhyped her a bit, and now we're starting to see her use rate reflect the practical reality of her kit.
With Gaming, you skip another major factor: he's a four star DPS. DPS characters are the most common ones out there, so he has a lot of competition due to that, and a very big chunk of those DPS characters are five star ones. And most of those aren't of the pogo-style. You think he's low now? Wait until next Abyss.
I wouldn't say that Yae's usage rate is tied to Tiggy's. She's good against the underground enemies period, as her turrets will attack them even when they are underground. Give her a second source of damage, like Nahida or Furina, and you are set. This Abyss layout is about as favorable of one as you can get for her.
I think one other factor that majorly plays into usage rates is public perception. Like if the thunderbird shows up, people will tend to use Yoimiya, because she's perceived as a good character to use against the bird, in part due to it being one case where she outshone Hu-Tao. But since her release, we've had a lot of other characters added to the game, and quite a few of these also make it easy to defeat the bird. But the perception hasn't changed from "Yoimiya makes bird easy" to "bird is easy for tons of characters". This also turns into a bit of a feedback loop, where people will use what other people say works, even though they probably have access to other options that will work as well or better for their account.
I think Gaming is so low because all the recent characters are locked behind the new weekly boss 😫🥲 I'm still trying to bring up Cloud Retainer's talents, with Charlotte and Chevreuse also wanting that boss' drops. Gaming is just lower down the list, so he will take a while to be useable. For me, at least. Heaven help people who pulled for even more recent characters. I hate that narwhal 😆
I think you need to reconsider how your define carry around 3:58 when you skip Yae and go to speak about Raiden. Being the onfield unit is one thing and being a carry is another. Yae for example is a carry, even if she is offfield/doesn't benefit from being onfield.
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2:55 Nanah!!!! Idk what's wrong with the world, but if you got c1 neuvi, Best DMG team is Neuvi Kazuha ZHONGLI ( w/petra ) Furina. 90k-100k per tick on abyss 12-3-1.
Karakter , karaakter
Navia just not that hood against the 2 serpent
i have a c0r1 navia with a top 1% build and i stopped using her because i dont have another geo character raised (no zhongli, albedo, etc.). i do have a c6 ning but while in the process of raising her, i realized how bad she felt to use and would rather just use a c2 furina team,
however, there are so many other fun and better teams that can use c2 furina. navia was cool in the beginning, but it got quite stale after a few weeks. coupled with the fact that i wont ever pull for any of her current best geo teammates, i simply dropped her for more enjoyable chars/teams.
i dont mind having her but i already have my few fav chars so it's gonna be hard for me to pick her back up since nothing stands out (character design to actual gameplay)
Amber not being the last, warms my heart. But yes, Furina, Nahida and Kazuha are the 3 best 5star characters overall, imo. And Xingchiu, Xiangling and Bennett the best 4 stars.
the funny thing is, this is my first time using xiao in the abyss since.. well since getting a better dps- he was one of my very early characters and I had him with I think albedo, sayu and.. bennett? Idk man it was a while ago. might’ve had qiqi too
the funnier thing is I couldn’t clear floor 12 with him, but. I could clear it pretty easy with dps kazuha.. only swapping faruzan for bennett
they’re both triple crowned
I find this hilarious since xiao is typically considered one of the better anemo dps
I don't know why but this abyss was very unforgiving to my navia. I have her 63:230 cv with double pyro which has been more than enough for previous abyss runs. But for some reason I almost never crit in this new abyss. I opted to use Raiden, Benny, chev and xianling. Which works great on first half. Then neuvilette, furina on second.
Tbh, for me i think Fontaine carries are quite good and strong but they kinda lack flavor 😓! Like Navia is locked in double pyro most of the time Lyney too while Neuvilette gameplay is kinda boring to me sadly, unlike Haitham, Scara, Wrio, Nilou, Ayato, Hutao or Childe who have versatile gameplay or teams. The only units i went for from Fonataine are Wriothesley and Furina.
Unlike Inazuma or Sumeru who i have most of them 🤔. People keep praising and forcing the narrative about Fontaine being f2p or easy characters and more fun while it’s not they’re good but not better than the rest
not surprised by lyney but personally my national team with him is CRAZY. it literally destroys everything, the rotation is basically impossible to mess up, such a strong and easy comp!
"oh but he's a charged attack user, bad playstyle"
i never really find myself using his charged attacks? i usually just do 1 or 2 at the very beginning to start stacking but imo he is strong enough to carry with just his skin and and burst, not to mention all the damage coming from xiangling??
especially against those kinds of bosses that disappear in the ground and are impossible to attack, i use this free time to stack lyney's CA so that he's gonna deal more damage later.
I love looking at these charts when they come out and I show them to new players a lot, both as a quick reference for “meta teams’ but also to show how fake the idea of meta is in this game in general. I’d love to see another video on this comparing how drastically different abyss enemies can effect what the usage rates look like (like that hilarious one where nahida national topped the usage chart)
I have a feeling Hydro abyss heralds are going to return because of Neuvillette and Furina. Water Tupa wasn't enough.
On a side note, it feels nice being in the minority who uses Charlotte, Yoimiya and Chev(obviously not on the same team)
… Not at all shocked Nahida and Furina are top. As they're the best units in the game. Does make me wonder what the Pyro Archon will do. Excited to see
genshin players are probably falling back to comfort teams because they just wanna get back to playing other games ASAP hahahahaha (it's me, I'm genshin players)
Very informative video I support any idea to continue doing these
I feel like there should be 2 usage charts. This one plus another one that shows total usage without considering who you own/don't own and analyze the differences.
Furina more than nahida??? Kkkkk where did u taked this shit rate list???
These Abyss Usage Rate charts are not accurate. But they’re not completely wrong either.
After some patches past a character’s banner is the more reliable way of determining a character’s Abyss usage rate. When all the *“fluff”* is gone, a character’s general standing will eventually show. A character’s true mettle is tested when advantages catered around their release are gone.
What are these possible fluffs?
– *Character Recency Bias* (how new a character is)
– *Banner Recency Bias* (how current a banner is)
– *Abyssal Moon Blessing* (catered usually to certain characters)
– *Lineup of Abyss enemies* (catered usually to certain characters’ kit)
Wipe the dust off a window and you’ll see a clearer view of the outside.
Best explanation of this chart ever ty TGS please do analysis on these charts every patch it’s so helpful!!! ❤
You sound so Bonjour my friend! Merci.
Navia is good. I used her to clear this abyss, but like, she isn't great. These are the teams I've used
Navia, xiangling, albedo, bennett
Navia, furina, albedo, bennett
Navia, yae miko, fischl, xianyun
She's good in all these teams, but my Xiangling, Furina and Yae all have better teams. Idk there's not much of a reason to use her. I was really hoping that Chiori would be a navia support but it doesn't look that way sadge
Ig it doesn't really matter since i can 36 star with her, but i just kinda wish i had a go to Navia team