She’s definitely waiting for the right time to “awaken” it’s just a matter of WHEN! I’m genuinely so scared for the twins cuz this is going to spill absolute disaster!
Ok I have to point this out. The Heavenly Principles and The Sustainer Of Heavenly Principles are two different entities. I think it’s important to point out that when Lumine asks the god who she is, the god says SUSTAINER of heavenly principles, she doesn’t say she is the heavenly principles herself. The meaning of sustainer means someone who upholds or supports something. So by name, The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles supports the actual HP but isn’t the actual HP herself. Also. Lumine says the HP has been(I think she said sleep or something since the cataclysm) but if that’s case how did she attack the twins? The Sustainer and The HP are different gods altogether. Nahida mentioned when The Heavenly Principles changed the fate of the twins. I think the Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to go after the twins. I also think that the actual Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to destroy Khaenri’ah instead of doing it himself/herself. The Heavenly Principles also waged war against the Seven Sovereigns and stole elemental authority to give to the Archons and that probably took away an indescribable amount of power for The Heavenly Principles to do something on that scale and then regarding the Archon War and the Cataclysm in Khaenri’ah, The HP probably still didn’t have the power to directly intervene which would also tie into why he/she sent the sustainer to Khaenri’ah in the first place. We barely scratched the surface on who The Heavenly Principles are let alone their powers but we have a small grasp of what The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles are capable of because those dark swarms of red cubes that she used against the twins were the same ones that were seen when Khaenri’ah met its unfortunate end which leads me to believe that it was in fact The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles who attacked Khaenri’ah because in the time between its destruction and the twins getting attacked by her, The Heavenly Principles would’ve still been sleep and at this point The Heavenly Principles has been asleep for way longer than 500 years because we don’t know how much time has passed since the destruction of Khaenri’ah
Well a lot of this is years old; I'd avoid the HI3 stuff, and the Paimon stuff. If she really was plot relevant, she has more chance of being the 3rd Descender than the SHP. Concentrate on what is new with 4.7 rather than merely confirming what we've known for a year or more. That is to say the 2nd throne / Abyss stuff. Celestia is already pretty well known.
11:21 we're told the Sinners did NOT fight for Khaenri'ah. Kinda Dain's whole deal is that they were all traitors. I really doubt they secretly fought and he didn't know about it.
My name for now once theorized that Dain is the 3rd descender and I think it might be possible. When I think about it, Dain could be on the same power level as his brother the sinner, or the foul. I think Dain wants the loom of fate to succeed, he is not dumb or weak, because our twin said he didn't fight back. Our twin is being used by someone and I won't be surprised if it is Dain. Because it was way too easy for her to win that fight.
What if paimon is someone who helped the heavenly principals. You like how they said that the "second who came"/ 2nd decender helped the primordial one make the gnosis
The harbingers seeking for the gnoses from nation to nation, the hydro archons divine throne was destroyed etc and the heavenly principals are still sleeping… I’m really wondering what will happen to awaken the heavenly principles. It must me a reaaaally huge and unbelievable event.
Let's say paimon is sustainer of the heavenly principles, it doesn't seem right to me that she'd lose her memory, irminsul was created by celestia and i don't think the 5 could really manipulate celestia's memories? also, just because they are the heavenly principles it doesn't mean they are irminsul. I can create something without being part of it. Okay, the sinners have a power that is otherwordly. who says celestia doesn't have it, can't access it or can't control it, if they are protecting teyvat from the corruption then they must hold power that counter it. also that goddess is the sustainer of the heavenly principles so she's part of it not all of it. How could they be asleep though and leave their precious teyvat unattended, it can be targeted and harmed from outside. therefore i think this "not awakened" state is too blurry for me to grasp something is missing. Archons themselves couldn't die in the cataclysm how can celestia be weakened and disappear. There is another thing, if celestia isn't the real bad guy and they saved the world from the cataclysm then it means the archons know this since they participated and are connected to celestia. now, if they know celestia is a good guy, why give away their gnosis and implicitly participate in the fatui's plan? therefore this theory of celestia being good is foggy too. unless the real enemy isn't celestia but another thing? but it can't explain why everyone wants to destory the heavenly principles.
nice theory!! paimon is definitely shady there are just so much signs pointing to her having significant connections to celestia. i personally theorize that she's sort of like a drone/cctv that the hp sent down to teyvat to monitor teyvat while the hp are getting out of a weakened state from the cataclysm
It's quite parallel to Honkai Impact when the "Herrscher of Finality" will soon awaken and start another cycle by destroying the world and resetting it. But it turns out HoFin (Kiana) did not destroy humanity and instead is helping humanity to "become one" with Honkai all due to Elysia's sacrifice.
What if Poimon/celestia 's memories are stored in the irminsol tree and is somehow corrupted ? I definitely think they are one and the same but somehow are in their weakest form .
Here is my problem with the paimon = heavenly principles thing… If the heavenly principles = 1st descender, why did paimon lose her memories of rukkhadevata when she was wiped from irminsul? It is stated that descenders are not affected by irminsul changes, so this would kind of disprove that theory?
Honestly Celestia are not true enemy. It's abyss itself. Do I condone the Celestians' crimes? No. Do I understand them? As much as we're able to do so at present. At first we thought the fatui evil(wrong) now Celestia getting called evil(we only know opposing side pov). In short terms, it's complicated we have pieces still missing on this chessboard.
I just feel like if Paimon will be revealed to be the Primordial One or the Sustainer, everyone won’t be surprised, and I bet Hoyoverse won’t go on that route.
I think Paimon is definitely in a weakened form, whether she is a Seelie or a Heavenly Princple. Or both. But it does make me wonder why no other character really questions what Paimon is.
The only time I remember a character asking about Paimon is Mona. In one of her voice lines, Mona asks the Traveler if they knew Paimon's origins. Mona- the one who can scry futures, who already knew the Traveler wasn't from Teyvat, and who has good enough intuition to figure out who Scaramouche was at a glance- couldn't figure out anything about Paimon.
Let me know if there's other characters who also question Paimon. Mona's the only one I remember because of how odd it was.
Otherwise, it boggles my mind how not even the Archons question Paimon's existence. And it's not like she's hiding her appearance or anything. Itto straight up calls her a "flying lavender melon" and other characters acknowledge her floating.
Is she unknowingly tampering with everyone else's consciousness? Or put some new information into Irminsul so all of Teyvat doesn't see her as strange?
It's one if those things that I really hope the game addresses. Cause otherwise, it's a part of the game 's plot that bugs me.
0:13 Gold Rhinedottir looking good. After becoming the Loom of Fate I guess she became a "God" (That's why every Sinner is related to Norse Mythology) The Heavenly Principles however is bad news. Because she destroyed her old kingdom the Crimson Dynasty. She is the corrupted FIRST HEIR from the Light Realm. (Racher of Solnari means Avenger of Solnari. Solnari is most likely a kingdom in the Light Realm) In conclusion we got the Sinners who is trying to save this world, while the First Heir is asleep. (Creator of this World), while her brother the Second Heir is (The Sinner Crystal we saw who told the Traveler to ascend. Probably to take over the First Heir's role as the Heavenly Principles, which will most likely trap us in Teyvat.)
In the end Celestia is not the enemy, watch it be a different one and we all team up with what's left 😂 like that is such a good move for the villain. Let them fight and kill each other and sweep off the leftovers. Paimon is no. 1 sus to me and what even are the witches doing in these centuries? They know a lot.
I think Paimons connection to celestia is all but confirmed. I think shes a sleeper agent. She's meant to keep the Traveler on the path SHE wants. Note how upset she gets whenever she's separated from the Travler. She needs to make sure they don't discover something they shouldn't.
You know…when I reached this part…I kept wondering…was Furina's suffering for nothing? My mindset now is: maybe HP left some sensors that detect "wrongdoings" against Celestia while they sleep? Coz…I don't get it…please tell me she was justified in her suffering 😭
So… Is Paimon going to remember and help us or try to kill us? 🙃
Gold being a sinner and a mage only makes the hexenzirkel group more strong each patch
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She’s definitely waiting for the right time to “awaken” it’s just a matter of WHEN! I’m genuinely so scared for the twins cuz this is going to spill absolute disaster!
Ok I have to point this out. The Heavenly Principles and The Sustainer Of Heavenly Principles are two different entities. I think it’s important to point out that when Lumine asks the god who she is, the god says SUSTAINER of heavenly principles, she doesn’t say she is the heavenly principles herself. The meaning of sustainer means someone who upholds or supports something. So by name, The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles supports the actual HP but isn’t the actual HP herself. Also. Lumine says the HP has been(I think she said sleep or something since the cataclysm) but if that’s case how did she attack the twins? The Sustainer and The HP are different gods altogether. Nahida mentioned when The Heavenly Principles changed the fate of the twins. I think the Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to go after the twins. I also think that the actual Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to destroy Khaenri’ah instead of doing it himself/herself. The Heavenly Principles also waged war against the Seven Sovereigns and stole elemental authority to give to the Archons and that probably took away an indescribable amount of power for The Heavenly Principles to do something on that scale and then regarding the Archon War and the Cataclysm in Khaenri’ah, The HP probably still didn’t have the power to directly intervene which would also tie into why he/she sent the sustainer to Khaenri’ah in the first place. We barely scratched the surface on who The Heavenly Principles are let alone their powers but we have a small grasp of what The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles are capable of because those dark swarms of red cubes that she used against the twins were the same ones that were seen when Khaenri’ah met its unfortunate end which leads me to believe that it was in fact The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles who attacked Khaenri’ah because in the time between its destruction and the twins getting attacked by her, The Heavenly Principles would’ve still been sleep and at this point The Heavenly Principles has been asleep for way longer than 500 years because we don’t know how much time has passed since the destruction of Khaenri’ah
Well a lot of this is years old; I'd avoid the HI3 stuff, and the Paimon stuff. If she really was plot relevant, she has more chance of being the 3rd Descender than the SHP. Concentrate on what is new with 4.7 rather than merely confirming what we've known for a year or more. That is to say the 2nd throne / Abyss stuff. Celestia is already pretty well known.
11:21 we're told the Sinners did NOT fight for Khaenri'ah. Kinda Dain's whole deal is that they were all traitors. I really doubt they secretly fought and he didn't know about it.
I come to that conclusion that paimon is the Sustainer and its about to awake sometime
My name for now once theorized that Dain is the 3rd descender and I think it might be possible. When I think about it, Dain could be on the same power level as his brother the sinner, or the foul. I think Dain wants the loom of fate to succeed, he is not dumb or weak, because our twin said he didn't fight back. Our twin is being used by someone and I won't be surprised if it is Dain. Because it was way too easy for her to win that fight.
I felt the 4.7 archon quest was weak. I expected more from the Loom of Fate.
Do wuthering waves, too
Talk everything will be surround by Darkness there's ugly demons in the abyss but there's also gorgeous founds like me HAHA no one can escape me!
Does lumine still remember. About the heavenly principals going to waking up sooner or later I hope she remembers 😢💔
What I got from all this is that Nahida is lucky the Doctor didn't call her bluff, because nothing would happen if she destroyed her gnosis
What if paimon is someone who helped the heavenly principals. You like how they said that the "second who came"/ 2nd decender helped the primordial one make the gnosis
I know its wild lol
It's the SUSTAINER of heavenly principles… NOT just heavenly principles (sorry but it's so annoying)
Bro, Endgame ( Final Battle) is going to be insane!
The harbingers seeking for the gnoses from nation to nation, the hydro archons divine throne was destroyed etc and the heavenly principals are still sleeping… I’m really wondering what will happen to awaken the heavenly principles. It must me a reaaaally huge and unbelievable event.
Let's say paimon is sustainer of the heavenly principles, it doesn't seem right to me that she'd lose her memory, irminsul was created by celestia and i don't think the 5 could really manipulate celestia's memories? also, just because they are the heavenly principles it doesn't mean they are irminsul. I can create something without being part of it.
Okay, the sinners have a power that is otherwordly. who says celestia doesn't have it, can't access it or can't control it, if they are protecting teyvat from the corruption then they must hold power that counter it. also that goddess is the sustainer of the heavenly principles so she's part of it not all of it.
How could they be asleep though and leave their precious teyvat unattended, it can be targeted and harmed from outside. therefore i think this "not awakened" state is too blurry for me to grasp something is missing. Archons themselves couldn't die in the cataclysm how can celestia be weakened and disappear.
There is another thing, if celestia isn't the real bad guy and they saved the world from the cataclysm then it means the archons know this since they participated and are connected to celestia. now, if they know celestia is a good guy, why give away their gnosis and implicitly participate in the fatui's plan? therefore this theory of celestia being good is foggy too. unless the real enemy isn't celestia but another thing? but it can't explain why everyone wants to destory the heavenly principles.
Paimon final boss lets gooo.
When I first started playing I didn’t think it’d be as interesting as it is…. now I’ve been playing non stop 😭…..
What if the Primordial one and The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles are the biological parents of Lumine and Aether?
nice theory!! paimon is definitely shady there are just so much signs pointing to her having significant connections to celestia. i personally theorize that she's sort of like a drone/cctv that the hp sent down to teyvat to monitor teyvat while the hp are getting out of a weakened state from the cataclysm
It's quite parallel to Honkai Impact when the "Herrscher of Finality" will soon awaken and start another cycle by destroying the world and resetting it. But it turns out HoFin (Kiana) did not destroy humanity and instead is helping humanity to "become one" with Honkai all due to Elysia's sacrifice.
What if Poimon/celestia 's memories are stored in the irminsol tree and is somehow corrupted ? I definitely think they are one and the same but somehow are in their weakest form .
Here is my problem with the paimon = heavenly principles thing… If the heavenly principles = 1st descender, why did paimon lose her memories of rukkhadevata when she was wiped from irminsul? It is stated that descenders are not affected by irminsul changes, so this would kind of disprove that theory?
In the end, we should choose between Paimon or our Sibling
Celestian big 5: 😪😴 takes longest nap in history. catalysm big boom WHO DARES AWAKEN US!?
so the PAIMON theory is right all along
and they called me a madman
If it could happen the Fatui and the Harbingers will be traveler side and all Nation of Teyvat to fight the Heavenly Principles.
What if paimon is really the heavenly principle more like she need to use traveler to get her power back or something
Honestly Celestia are not true enemy. It's abyss itself. Do I condone the Celestians' crimes? No. Do I understand them? As much as we're able to do so at present. At first we thought the fatui evil(wrong) now Celestia getting called evil(we only know opposing side pov). In short terms, it's complicated we have pieces still missing on this chessboard.
I just feel like if Paimon will be revealed to be the Primordial One or the Sustainer, everyone won’t be surprised, and I bet Hoyoverse won’t go on that route.
Because they have been punching too many Cthulu
I think Paimon is definitely in a weakened form, whether she is a Seelie or a Heavenly Princple. Or both. But it does make me wonder why no other character really questions what Paimon is.
The only time I remember a character asking about Paimon is Mona. In one of her voice lines, Mona asks the Traveler if they knew Paimon's origins. Mona- the one who can scry futures, who already knew the Traveler wasn't from Teyvat, and who has good enough intuition to figure out who Scaramouche was at a glance- couldn't figure out anything about Paimon.
Let me know if there's other characters who also question Paimon. Mona's the only one I remember because of how odd it was.
Otherwise, it boggles my mind how not even the Archons question Paimon's existence. And it's not like she's hiding her appearance or anything. Itto straight up calls her a "flying lavender melon" and other characters acknowledge her floating.
Is she unknowingly tampering with everyone else's consciousness? Or put some new information into Irminsul so all of Teyvat doesn't see her as strange?
It's one if those things that I really hope the game addresses. Cause otherwise, it's a part of the game 's plot that bugs me.
0:13 Gold Rhinedottir looking good.
After becoming the Loom of Fate I guess she became a "God"
(That's why every Sinner is related to Norse Mythology)
The Heavenly Principles however is bad news. Because she destroyed her old kingdom the Crimson Dynasty. She is the corrupted FIRST HEIR from the Light Realm.
(Racher of Solnari means Avenger of Solnari. Solnari is most likely a kingdom in the Light Realm)
In conclusion we got the Sinners who is trying to save this world, while the First Heir is asleep. (Creator of this World), while her brother the Second Heir is (The Sinner Crystal we saw who told the Traveler to ascend. Probably to take over the First Heir's role as the Heavenly Principles, which will most likely trap us in Teyvat.)
In the end Celestia is not the enemy, watch it be a different one and we all team up with what's left 😂 like that is such a good move for the villain. Let them fight and kill each other and sweep off the leftovers. Paimon is no. 1 sus to me and what even are the witches doing in these centuries? They know a lot.
watch hoyo make paimon just some random special species just to throw everyone off lol
I think Paimons connection to celestia is all but confirmed. I think shes a sleeper agent. She's meant to keep the Traveler on the path SHE wants. Note how upset she gets whenever she's separated from the Travler. She needs to make sure they don't discover something they shouldn't.
You know…when I reached this part…I kept wondering…was Furina's suffering for nothing? My mindset now is: maybe HP left some sensors that detect "wrongdoings" against Celestia while they sleep? Coz…I don't get it…please tell me she was justified in her suffering 😭
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