During a livestream the other day I had the idea that a tier list could be a good framework in trying to have a conversation related to the overall design of C0 four star character’s kits in Genshin. Hopefully this was actually an interesting tier list lol
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I appreciate all of your comments discussing this! Ultimately this tier list was meant to be a bit loose just as a starting point to discuss C0 four stars, and I'm glad we are talking about it!
I will probably respond to more comments directly later, but yes I agree Collei should've been placed higher, she suffers from Dendro traveler existing, yes, but that should not have pushed her to C tier. There are niche uses cases for her frontloaded dendro that you could certainly argue make's her A tier instead. I definitely should've thought more about her but recording brain wanted to move on lol
Gorou still deserves F tier in all but the most limited of contexts when it comes to the current state of Genshin though, imo lol. But if Hoyoverse releases more def scaling units my tune may change (slightly)
I pulled Chev at raiden’s rerun but I’m hoping she comes on Arle’s banner next patch
probably because shogun is my 2nd 5 star, i never really used fischl much like i raised her but never built her. imo, oz goes away too fast, she needs good crit ratio to deal decent damage and only single target and c6 is very much recommended. cons is that she can be a battery with fav, consistent damage if you built her right and oz can be resummoned with ult but there will still be down time if you time it wrong
I CARE FOR XINYAN. She is c2 and built as burst DPS. But all her guides were so old that i really had to grind for that info. And till this day i don't know what is better: 2 pc emblem + 2 pc phys, 2 pc phys + 2 pc phys or full emblem???
I got myself c6 Fischl this Banner and without her i wouldn't have been able to clear 12-6 Abyss :I
( I was super lucky )
None of the Sumeru ones
I am on 75 pity pulled two fichels and a c6 yao yao but not one heizu not one fucking heizu
Fischl does need cons though, fischl although very good at C0, she indistinctively cons hungry
7:38 for any newbie wondering "what's wrong with her?" it's basically energy issues for consistent burst uptime. she still works at base con, but the energy issue is absurd
pre C6 built, my faruzan had 245% ER. no, somehow it wasn't enough and i cried 😂
I have Zhongli, So Is Lan Yan would be necessary for me ?
I love babygirl kaveh
You're so based for ororon's placement 🗿
every dendro 4 star.
I started playing in 2.1 (october'21) and I got c6 thoma before getting a single xingqiu for example… and although I've always used fischl extensively since she was my first 4* the day I downloaded the game, I got her c4, c5 and c6 her in neuvillette's first banner 🙂
I did the bad thing and spent 30 wishes on a banner I didn't care for JUST FOR Chevy. I consider myself lucky that I got her C0 in 30 wishes, frankly. And I don't regret a thing. As a Raiden main, I prefer using her in Overload to free up my Yelan for other comps. Definitely don't recommend throwing wishes on a banner for a 4 star, but tbh, I wanted Chevreuse so bad and was malding at the fact that she wasn't on Arle's banner… The 4 star problem is real af.
Real answer is ALL OF THEM depending on your level of masochism.
C6 amber is kinda bonkers I have her and she's fun
Kaveh does NOT share a tier with Beidou and Kaeya 😅
19:30 I think I disagree with this one. He's a good VV with TTDS holder that works well as a quick swap DPS on a team with a main DPS. He has slightly better CC than Lynette, and more damage per rotation than both Lynette and sucrose. Being an on field anemo DPS or driver is likely his weakest role.
very useful bro,thanks to u now i see that i have some really good 4 stars,i was thinking xiangling was my best 4 star at c0 but thanks to u now i see that i can make some better teams because i got,fischl,kuki shinobu,sucrose,ororon,xiangqui and yao yao,ima see that i can do with them,thanks again dawg.
Sir, I used C0 Diona for a year and she was more than enough her being lower than Amber is extremly sad
Dude I’m not even a minute in to the video and I’m already happy you’re talking about 4 star acquisition a bit. Recently tried getting a copy of sethos between my two accounts, did more than 100 pulls combing the amount I did across both and still didn’t get a single sethos. It was beyond depressing cause he looks incredibly fun
i know its a different game, but the 4* problem is just as bad in star rail (maybe even worse seeing as most 4*s are not nearly as good as the 4*s in genshin). while going for e6 tingyun (started at e0) ive got 4 5*s… and as of this comment my tingyun is e5 😢. i really think hoyo needs to evaluate how 4* drop rates work in their games bc its really not exclusive to genshin
also as a sethos main, while i knew it already, very excited to see him in A!! he definitely benefits a lot from his cons, but i always have to convince my friends hes still great at c0. it helps with just how easy he can be to build too with slingshot and wanderer's troupe being such good picks for him.
faruzan is B imo
this is something too much people forget. getting a 4 stars to C6 is kinda hard with how many there are. i would love a video about wich constelation is the most important with every 4 stars
you asked for nuanced Xinyan thoughts, i got some for ya!
I actually don't disagree with your take, before C6 she's an underwhelming DPS and with C6, she's still an underwhelming DPS, but her kit makes more sense at that point because you can swap her ATK sands for a DEF sands, which solves some of her split scaling problems. With C6 and a DEF sands your charge attacks damage doesn't fall off and her shield becomes tankier, which is good because you want to keep it up for her A2 passive (15% more) so dipping into DEF boosts her offence and her defense, granted your burst becomes a bit weaker since it doesn't scale of DEF but since most Xinyan mains are running her with Bennet you're not really hurting for ATK buffs at that point (Pyro resonance + Noblesse + Bennet ATK buff)
So yeah, C6 let's you mess around with the her build but she's still an undercooked 4 star DPS at the end of the day :/
Layla's got the second strongest shield in the game right now, only beat out by Zhongli. (By technicality, it should be a tie between her and Thoma in this way, but Thoma needing a lot of ER to get a shield AND needing his skill and burst leveled up for full capability makes him a worse unit for shielding that Layla in my opinion.) Honestly I'd put her at S for that. Plus her build can be flexible, tenacity for attack units, cinder city for everything else, hp/hp, noblesse, literally anything. If someone struggles to survive in this game, and they have to pick between all of the 4* shield units, she will be their best bet.
Edit: Also I forgot to add that due to being cryo, she can do fridge shenanigans. Thanks to how her stars work in game, she can be an extremely good option for cheap flex-rotation hyperbloom comps, and all of it works on bosses too. There's also a compelling option to give her hybrid builds and still have good shielding, similar to Zhongli.
respectfully man the switching back and forth between tiers while talking about a character is very distracting and annoying
I can get c4 xiangling or c6 xingqiu from the upcoming lantern rite selector, which should I choose? (My two big dps are hutao and childe)
Collei is B tier and Chongyun is C tier. Aint no one using Chongyun lol. But Collei is free and a good option for frontloaded Dendro app. Genuinely has a BiS team unlike DMC.
And Lynette is NOT that high. She's so unfunctional without the C6. You're better off using Anemo MC than her, genuinely.
Honestly i think sethos and katchina are too high if heizou can also hold vv and keep perma uptime
I think the issue with your tier list is that you're essentially judging two things at the same time, which confuses the order. It's not entirely clear whether you're judging based on functionality or so called meta relevancy. A more interesting point of view would have been to focus on either or.
I have played literally every 4 star and leveled them to a usable point, and I haven't finished watching the video yet, but one problem I have is the "relevant" vs "usable" argument. Diona may not be relevant anymore, but she is a pretty reliable unit for defense utility if you don't have Layla, and she is perfectly serviceable at C0 (I'd argue only her C6 is anything remotely close to a support upgrade) and Faruzan doesn't need her C6 to work, even if she is really strong with it. But outside of meme teams, or being the DPS herself Candace is straight up unusable pre C6 because there is almost always a better option available, wether that's a sub DPS or another support, those three placements really, really irked me, especially after the frantically really good judgement of Chevreuse being good pre C6 as well.
Chevy c0 buff is so good i cleared abyss with minimal talents and forgetting to give her a weapon at all, and didn't notice. She absolutely deserves the S.
Yes, this is just agreeing with you.
Xinyan should be up with heizou
My account saved for the first 2.5 years of its existence for a C6R5 Furina. A lot of my 4 stars are C0 or C1 because of this. So I definitely can empathize with players feeling left out of the discussion regarding 4 stars due to the assumption of constellations made by the online community.
I kinda feel the KQM standards need to change going forward, or we need a new standard. It just hasn't aged well with the state of the 4-star roster.
I spent around 250 wishes on a banners included Fiscl. Got c2 Hu Tao previous year, c1 dragon this year. Haven’t pulled her A SINGLE TIME. I bought her c0 from Paimon shop. Pain, absolute pain
I did 60 (20 from previous) pulls on the 5.2 second phase banners and got home with Zhongli C0, Heizou C0, YaoYao C2, Favonius Lance, Purple Claymore x2.. I JUST WANTED A FISCHL.. and a Zhongli
I will be honest C6 Faruzan is overrated I didn't felt the huge jump that people talked about when I still had C0 before cloud banner when I've got C6 yeah the DMG is higher but the energy problem might be solved with C6 yet with C4 I was able to manage it pretty easily I really think C6 Faruzan is a big myth it is for sure improvement but it doesn't make the unit nonfunctional
As a Xinyan main, her Most valuable con is c2 for that sweet sweet 100% crit rate for the phys dmg to her burst and forms the shield at lvl 3. Since she is More likely to be obtained cause of Lantern Rite you can make the argument she is easier to build since, as stated, most early game players focus on phys dmg and normals/charge attacking, and xinyan not only has high base stats for a 4 star, but also has her talents which help with her dmg/sustain requirements. Her energy cost for burst is 60, so its high enough that she can be used with 5 stars that like energy consumption (Raiden) but low enough that its not annoying and you have insane er requirements that makes Bennett suffer even more than he already does (side eyes Xiangling). you also get pyro cleanse on shield, which helps newer players survive in places that might freeze em to death (if abysus can have the dragonspine mechanic in the past, who's to say they dont bring it back for Snezhnaya). plus, once you get into mid game and start farming artifacts, the first places these newer players are going is either Tenacity domain for shielders/turrets or Nobless domain for buffers, and a simple 2pc 2pc bloodstained/pale flame set that has some def some atk some crit is perfectly fine for Xinyan. Plus, you get Snow-tombed Starsilver for free, a not event locked decent 4 star option for Xinyan. If you want to invest you can always decide for Plunge Xinyan with Xianyun, subdps phys Xinyan (personal rec is layla, raiden, xinyan, benny for both quickswapping and on field fun at the same time), or pyro Xinyan if Bennett has been c6'd (but at that point that isn't a discussion on function cause then you would have cons in the discussion so I shall leave it there).
tldr: Xinyan helps you get your account together while trying to survive in Teyvat. She functions perfectly fine at c0, isnt as picky about artifact substats, and has good synergy with other units while not being annoying about energy or weapons. Ez to build early game, helps you through middle game, and can be used for fun in late game. Build Xinyan!!! – a Xinyan main PSA
C tier for Ninnguang is valid. C6 is pretty needed to get her DPS to the bare baseline of usable dmg.
But catalyst+ construct+short-ish field time meant she had niche uses with Navia or Chiori. Although Kachina pretty much power creeps her in these roles now.
It would be cool to see c6 4* towr list 😊
Hiii, i think DPS lisa deserves that place at c0 but support Lisa is really nice at c0 because she is good by her ascension passive, she can be really good with Neuvillete, Raiden or Alhaitham where she doesn't have a lot of energy issues 😊
Zajef puts Barbara in D and Collei in A
This dude does the literally opposite.
Man, TC community is sure polarized.
So, In my opinion both Barbara and Collei are equally A. No way below, they both get too much undeserved hate, they can do more than people realize.
That Gorou's placement is very clear indicator that you don't play geo much
I've spent about 100 wishes on shinobu banners since I started playing, and I only have one copy to show for it. Feels pretty bad.
Hats off to you for this constellation topic. It's very helpful.
I wanna see more support in this comment section! I think some people are judging the list as if it is stand-alone and meant to be read without context. There's a lot of good information in how you explained your placements. Ultimately, this may not be super accurate going by the tiers alone, but you give great considerations for new players and low spenders, and that matters when making decisions for these accounts.
could you make a video for which characters are worth crowning?
The furina counter
I also find it weird you said "at some point you'll want consts" i mean duh
Real question is, can you make a 4 star tier list of main sub and suppoort
withoutrelying on consts and ANY 5 star? 😮Aka, for new gamers to see what value/parties they should go for with the ranked 4 stars
do remember the team need 4 character , and any of these 4 star(s) really should not be viewed in a solo fashion , nor the 5 star(s) .. my experience is that pretty much each and every character in game can be made to work even at C0 provided you provide the right combo , well might be not meta or able to min max for everyone but certainly working decent