Genshin Impact’s Gods are undeniably the most mysterious faction in the game despite simultaneously being the most important architects behind the world of Teyvat as we know it today. At this point, it’s clear that Hoyoverse is keeping its origins a secret, but after this video, it shall remain a secret no longer.
The Hydro Sovereign’s Vision Story contains an extremely important clue regarding what transpired following Nibelung’s Great War of Vengeance including what potentially led to the infamous Archon War. And obviously, it all ties back to what the First Descender did with the dragons.
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Timestamps:-
Where did Teyvat’s Gods come from? (0:00)
What is a ‘God’? (3:31)
The Emanations of the King (6:21)
Orobashi’s Escape from Celestia (13:55)
Fragments of the Primordial (20:05)
Divine Evolution (29:17)
Snakes (44:27)
Orobashi’s Excution (46:35)
Wishing You A Happy New Year! (49:01)
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Archon Quest: Masquerade of the Guilty
Archon Quest: The Rainbow Destined to Burn
World Quest Series: Lost Traveler in the Ashen Realm
World Quest Series: Between Pledge and Forgettance
Archon Quest: The Rainbow Destined to Burn
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Zhongli aka Seath the Scales, Genshin is Dark Souls anime,
The Sustainer is Gwynevere,
Celestia is Anor Londo,
Khaenri'ah is New Londo,
We are the Chosen Undead,
The Abyss sibling is Artorias the Abyss Walker,
The Tsaritsa is Velka
Hilichurls are the Hollow
We even have the Kiln of the First Flame in Natlan.
if genshin takes place a long time ago before current hsr, then…. the aeon ourobouros would have seen them. what with how the enigmata seems to change information on this aeon, isn't it strange? what if ouroboshi was a leviathan too? most of them disappeared after the dusk wars… what if genshin takes place in the dusk wars or even before that point? Its interesting to think about anyway.
Morax is a sussy ol' lizard
I’ve been dying for someone to talk about this! I think there’s also another interesting thing about the gods that I haven’t seen anyone really make a video about, and that’s the eerie similarities between “the resentment of dead gods” and abyssal corruption. They seem the affect the world and living creatures in the same way and the methods for subduing and quarantining them are also pretty similar. Like the shrines on Yashiori Island acting like mini Celestial Nails, placed at specific points to hold down Orobashi’s resentment. I wonder if the Primordial One’s “blood” might in fact be Abyssal in its origin.
29:10 OUR MAN
Is this peak dragon-centric lore or was that when Ashikai said everything is a dragon?
Here's the problem: Skirk smells the Gnosis and says it smells like a god's curse. Not a dragon's curse. She says Neuvillette does smell of sovereign dragon too (well of course he does) but mixed in she can smell a god's curse. Which is different from the smell of a dragon. Because dragons and gods are not the same things. Skirk at any rate differentiates the two smells and says Neuvillette smells of both, and that's odd, and then she says oh duh you must have a gnosis — to explain the god's curse smell.
So dragon's aren't gods, the Gnosis is not made of bits of dragon, and neither are the gods.
Zhongli is probably the last person someone should claim is/was a dragon since he explicitly denies it in his conversation with Azhdaha. He straight up says his lifespan is nothing compared to elemental creatures like a dragon. I don't understand the desire to contradict such a clear peace of lore. If Zhongli had been a dragon that entire conversation would have gone utterly differently. It couldn't be more clear. The entire conversation is Azhdaha ragging on Zhongli for being just a speck in terms of the ages that Azhdaha and other dragons live for. Zhongli doesn't deny it but admits it is true.
Thank you for the Ochkanatlan background music
If you posted an unedited video of you rambling on about the lore, and even going on a tangent, ending up with a 5-hour video, I'd still watch it from start to finish.
I think neuvillette was already born when egeria was still the hydro archon bc in the last lantern rite furina said that neuvillettes been alive at least over a thousand year and egeria died during the cataclysm 500yrs ago which makes ur statement of "neuvillette couldn't be born as long as egeria lived" not true
Okay hold on, I have a question: How did the Sage manage to do essentially the same but evade divine punishment? Is he not essentially also experimenting like Orobashi was? His son was part human, part dragon, essentially making that an “evolution” for dragons and humans.
I know we don’t know if it’s thru natural or scientific means how Och-Kan was born from but it IS interesting that Och-Kan is basically cousins with those people who could understand the language of Vishaps in Enkanomiya, but the Sage experienced no consequence whatsoever after what I presume to be millennia.
this is so random but i've been wondering for months- does anyone recognize his accent? i can't quite place it
I didn't even notice this video was 50min long. Keep cooking, this was amazing. Whether your theories end up being proven to be real or not, I learned a lot about lore from this video, too. I read pretty much everything I come across in Genshin but my ability to retain that information is downright horrible. Lore recaps are great, but lore combined with theories is even better <3
Great video! Enka lore truly keeps on giving and Natlan making them more relevant than ever
also "Celestia appears to be afraid of something…something which involves change"
how fitting then that they made Ei fear change too, Eternity is truly closest to heavenly principles
also kinda interesting how Makoto opposes their entire ideal then because she believes that only thing eternal in the world is change, hence her being the god of eternal transience
Well….
I've always wondered about the origin of the gods…And Remuria made me see a little of the ascension of the gods, when they consumed the golden lycor…
This makes a lot of sense because I always wanted to know what the serpent god and egeria's actual "sins" were. Just reading a book or creating some oceanid humans didn't explain why celestia overreacted like that. But I can completely understand why they would be afraid of evolution. And René and his team actually did turn out to be quite a threat, btw. Anyway, this all raises interesting questions about Nibelung and his pearl. The primordial one could also maybe get his authority from the pearl, since everything comes from dragons in the end..
Interesting that they only wanted 7 powers to remain. We know that there are more than 7 elements. But maybe they were part of the fragments that were defeated. Could it be that the primordial one ceased to exist when he gave fragments of himself to the demon gods? And he had the heavenly principles take over for him?
I just realized "Young Morax" could still be like a thousand years old since Zhongli refers to Xiao as a "Young adeptus"
comparing cocouik to wisp venti was not on my bingo card but now its yet another pesky brainworm for years
41:35 – I think, Ashikai also suspects the humans were made of the remains of the ancient dragons
I love everything about this video, makes a lot of sense.
I spent the whole video expecting you to mention the consecrated beasts though. Any reason you didn’t?
An older theory was that when the primordial one was injured pieces of his body landed on teyvat and where eaten by animals causing them to morph into god like monsters, like super buffed consecrated beasts. The archon war would have been in part a ruse, to have these accidental divine entities destroyed in order to prevent people from finding out about the gods’ origins and maintain tight control over tayvat.
This is further supported by the suspicious absence of actual fighting in sumaru and fontaine to become archon.
Also I was under the impression that the original adepti were animals that gained sentience via consuming something divine but where some how not corrupted. It’s low key implied either in xianyuns story quest or the chenyu vale quest that zhongli actively created adepti, and we learned xianyun could give people temporary longevity by having them consume her blood. It seems highly likely that Zhongli knows at least part of the secret that got orobashi killed and yet somehow got away with doing his own experiments
Also ororon straight up mentions in his profile story/voicelines that the archons at one point were doing genetic experiments on humans and speculates thats where the animal bits some people have come from, including his own saurian ears.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this! My working memory is terrible so unfortunately I can’t really trust my own recollection of events 😅
yes all gods were the fragments of the primordial one even paimon included.. its just like the primordial one exploded(for example) and all his fragments scattered to all teyvat and and became gods and some fragments collected by the 4 shades like the fragment that the shade of life used together with the primordial sea to created egeria, and a fragment which astaroth given to a wind wisp.. i just dont know why celestia offered 7 thrones for the 7 sole survivor of the archon war.. is celestia wanted to destroy all the fragments by letting all fragments to fight and destroy one another for a seat? i bet the power that ronova gave to xbalanque was a fragment of the primordial one too..
is it fragments that caused the lightning to be incarnated as twins? and a fragment that incarnate irminsul tree to a goddess too? now i wonder how the first cryo archon got a fragment too..
Very nice video! I have to say, I am very happy that someone finally addresses the topic of Godhood and shards of the Primordial one; it has been ignored for quite a long time. I would also like to propose that perhaps "Divinity" and a Descender's "Will" may be synonymous, considering that every descender beforehand has held this insane Power that seemingly makes even the Dragons bleak in comparison, while also recordedly being the ONLY thing that makes them "descenders", aside from them not belonging to the order of Teyvat (though this attribute is not that important). For instance, imagine "Will" as the idea of "shaping the world according to your ambition", an universal power that is related to the Imaginary and allows to manipulate things in the "imaginary realm" (world of Ideas, as per Plato and later on Gnosticism) to do the same thing in the physical realm, 'as above, so below', or as Zhongli says in his ultimate "Heaven moves, Earth follows".
The fact that each God is divided to their own certain "domain" in which they can exercise Power may also be just because of this, as each God's Power is almost entirely unique to them (despite all coming from the same soure, as per the Item "Bit of Aerosiderite"; "It is said that many defeated gods refused to live under the new order of The Seven, so they fled to remote islands and became evil gods. However, their powers came from the same source as Rex Lapis, separate from this all-devouring darkness"), as indicated by things such as Rex Lapis being the only God capable of creating Mora and transmutating things into Gold (dialogues of the desert sages: "The Ibis King brought forth another rare being, one who had accidentally touched the tomb and remains of an ancient god, and been cursed. Due to the curse, anything touched by both his hands would slowly become pure silver — after all, from today, we know that transformation into gold and Mora is the sole province of Deus Auri."). Moreover, each God has a certain "title", or even multiple, to which their domain of Power adheres; the God of Salt, the God of Gold, the God of Thunder and so many others, they're barely countable.
A "Descender" has enough "Will" to 'rival an entire world'; if taking my interpretation, potentially speaking, a Descender has the Power to shape "worlds" according to their "Will", in other words, has the power to manipulate almost every single aspect of Reality, or rather the fabric that substantiates it, and Gods are beings that were given a part of this "Dominion over World", a Form of Authority that is similar to the Elemental Draconic Authority, yet goes beyond just the manipulation of certain Elements, but rather certain "concepts", as per the amalgamations of imaginary energy that they are. This is why each God has a certain "Concept" their "Divine Authority" (I just like calling it that) is limited to, be it a certain material (salt is the prime example), an action (for example, Mavuika's description of her E ability mentions that the Pyro Archon has a Power known as "Authority over conflict", conflict being one such concept) or even a metaphysical concept (such as Time, Death, life and Void/space, namely the four Shades especially).
those are just my thoughts regarding the shards of the primordial one. I hope it wasn't too much of a disarrayed rant!
PS: about the "Seven sage-monks", Deshret may not have been talking about the Archons, or rather he was talking about the Seven Sages that were under his command, a group of random divine or generally powerful beings he adopted (willingly or unwillingly from their sides), Apep was part of that. It was mentioned in the weapon I referenced earlier, "dialogues of the desert sages" and also by an NPC in the temple of silence, Cyno's second story quest.
and PPS: I'd like to address your terminology regarding the Vishaps and Saurians; the Vishaps specifically are not a new invention that came after the "ancient Dragons", they ARE the ancient Dragons. More specifically, the Vishaps were the original inhabitants of the Light realm (you could call them the general Fauna and Flore since they seemed to fill out every goddamn ecosystemial role an animal can have within a world considering what Alice said in the KFC glider (aside from the Adepti and other Elemental life forms existing alongside them tbut that's not important right now) with the Seven Sovereigns (which I will crucify you for not including Azhdaha among them /j) simply being seven special Vishaps from among the masses ruling over the rest, being the "Supereme rulers" and "true Dragons" of the Light realm (for clearance, the Vishaps are described to be "lizard Dragons" rather than "true Dragons", yet have the potential to become real Dragons), which is likely connected to how the Loong Dragon is also considered to be the 'strongest animal' that can possibly exist because of how it has the strongest features of every Animal (claws of a Tiger, sturdy skin akin to a tortoise's shell and so on, there are many variations on this), making the "True Dragons" simply be "The Seven Apex life forms of the Elemental Animal kingdom", or so I think at least. The Vishaps are simply the common species of "inferior Dragons" which all follow their seven "Dragon Kings" upon every command, just like how the Geo Vishaps as a race in their entirety followed Azhdaha into his Fight against Morax for example.
the Saurians however evolved from the Pyro Vishaps in Natlan that were under the rule of Xiuhcoatl. they are in turn indeed a new thing.
on the topic of "Pyro Vishaps", the way that all different groups of Vishaps are separated into seven based on each Element (which they can manipulate) and are ruled over by one "Ruler" who was originally part of them… Doesn't that remind us of the Vidyadhara, a Branch of Long's scions in HSR? with each having a type of power capable of manipulating a different Element (for example, the Loufu's Vidyadhara under Imbibitor Lunae have Cloudhymn, the power to control Water, whereas other ship's Vidyadhara have other powers such as Fire, Ice and Wind).
Paimon also has an ars goetia demon name, and also resembles Ochkan and Venti wisp form…
great theory! please stop calling organisms that 🙁
Can someone explain to me why Traveler thinks that Fontaine's prophecy was Vedrfolnir doing?
wait I just noticed that bro types his subtitles himself… and this is a 50 MINUTE VIDEO
Well the gnosis are portions of Phanos, and they are more or less a lesser version of the Ancient Names, each a portion of the original gods full name likely a version of a spiritual anagram. Remember how we always see the elemental symbols at load that's Actually the gods name. When the Archons take on the Gnosis it was like Heroes in Natlan getting there ancient name.
Those Gnosis were likely created by one of the three shades or the 5 in Kahnria. Those Three Fates actually 4 which is three shades that can form into the forth. We see her as the new Champion coming out in Honkai Star rails. Likely we are in a world of Harmony given structure by Imagination. Why the 3 to 4 fates are important. Has to do with the Fate of this world or Truth of this world. I think Imagination from HSR is the Fuel of the Three that sustains realities. When a leaf or bubble universe falls off it stopping being feed and enters a point of entropy. sinking into the sea of quanta which breaks down the structure and form of Geo holding Imagination as form. Thus Quanta leads to the Abyss which is akin to a super primal sea. That is what is drawn up by the tree of imagination and when changed by Time the goddess Astaroth can become Imagination with enough Will a Descender to convert it.
If you love Durandal and Bianca story you understand all of this. In that Novella Durandal was able to save that bubble reality by taking it into herself. By merging with Durandal the sword she is able to sustain it in herself. That then also becomes a fuel source for her. I think akin to a sustainer or descender. Now here is the GIANT leap from Honkai Impact 3rd.
The First Descender is a Honkai event on Tyvat. A descender is likely the Sole survivor of there Reality, think Oto Apocalypse style character's that become Sa type creators. The sustainer of Heavenly Principles is Vita her Gods were the mini colored Vita. Who are they in Elysian Realm it's Vi and Phanos in that concept is actually Aponia.
Hope this helps you see the permutations through the games I'm still digging into ZZZ but the concepts seem to be tracking there as well. We will see this again on Mars with the Shades. The point is they act as nails in the firmament of reality. Or batteries to bubble realities to keep them alive and fueled while floating in the sea of quanta. There will allowing them to give form to Imagination that acts a wall against erosion and returning to the base nature of the primal sea.
TLDR bro is saying when the first descender came to Teyvat he saw a beautiful dragon and f*cked her and then human race were born
also is this video just saying first descender is an Aeon and archons are his emanators?
"Dragons all the way down." 🐉
What are the chances that Dainsleif and the black serpent from the Battle Pass cutscene are connected?
late merry christmas and advance happy new year! i also wish you the best with your theory-crafting journey 😀 thank you for the high quality content!!
I think when the game is "over" we should get pulled into a worm hole and start in khaneria as the twin we didn't choose- 500 years earlier
What happens if an Angel and a Human have a son?
Genshin has no Giants or Nephilim.
But it may have a Rebis.
What do you think?
43:55 Toki Alley Tales seems to confirm this theory.
I mean, the youkais precede the humans.
Your poetic narrative regarding Orobashi's demise has altered my established understanding of his character.
Wait I thought the main reason the 7 are called "Demon Gods" in there world is because they participated in the Arcon war they 🔪🔪🔪 both humans and other Gods that the war is so bloody only "demons" can survive?
But the other Gods that didn't participate are just called gods but in our world we call them demon gods because there name came from the book of demons.
So I'm a Albedo main and think I finally have discovered the Truth of this World.
It's a Diab Bubble universe we see these in Honkai Impact third allot. Most Recently the in the Salt land saga and now in Mars. So lets get into it. What is Tyvatt it's a Upside Down Wine Glass. The world we plat in is the Base of the glass the Stem. Far far above us or rather bellow is the world of Amphora from Star rails. Or something similar. VERY VERY SIMILAR to the point the differences don't' matter for this explanation and with how Hoyoverse meta works we can just roll past it.
In the new Amphora Realm release they gave us the basic Cosmology. There were three Fates. And a Central one made from all three. HOWEVER one of them broke into all the Seeli, One died and the third is a Harbinger. Of the one that broke into the seelie a central core remains Piemon. They work as the RAM in a computer. Or FATE
Irmansal is the Hard drive. The Nerve system that transports everything to MEMORY which is the same Energy as the Memokeepers collects. Think of it as back up Will power and emotion. That's the Green energy we see. When it's more transparent it's Wind which plants breath, which in this case is TIME. That with out will become Anemo or Freedom. Loose energy with out will to stucture it. Hence it picks up the will of other elements. Cryo, Electro, Fire, Water.
Geo is Dust which is a nice was to say the CORPSE OF THE SUPREME CELESTIAL DRAGON OF LIGHT. The original Zhongli who in fact I think is the last of his will. Think all the times we see a Psychic God Echo etc. So both Dendro which is Will and Geo which is Celestial Material are External Structure materials. Think the Blood and Flesh of the Dead God. The reason Geo is the God of Contracts is his will determines he AUTHORITY over his base parts.
Fire is Emotional Impetus that which drives us to act, and causes change. It's the beginning of things and that which burns them out.
Water is compassion and connection it's that which allows a flowing of energy
Electro is FUEL it's what maintains cohesion after it as been set by will and fuels Dendro's program the actual energy in your computer
Cryo is the Lock, it pauses activity and holds things, likely the Firmament is all ICE the reason she needs the other Gnosis maybe she thinks she can freeze the abyssal energy and force is back down the stem of the Wine glass hence why we are always fighting down the Abyssal spire.
Anemo is Freedom because it's undetermined state of energy think of Electro as Direct Current and Aero being like the Electro Magnetic Field everywhere but you can't always tap into it.
The Dragon Sovereigns are like Dragon Elemental Organs of the GREAT celestial Dragon. Hence when the world was built from it's Corpse they were already here, think of the Milisune in the Elenos. Same Same.
A Descender is the Will of a Titan there mind. Likely from Amphorus. There body was Condensed to Create the Visions and Gnosis. they are a Secondary system grafted onto this system.
I believe Ultimately The World Tree is Imaginary Time flows through it like sap. It draws from the Sea of Quanta which is a product of the Abysal sea. Quanta is the break down of Imaginary energy it's undoes the Lock of Willpower.
Each universe is like a Leaf being feed with imagination but when they fall off they sink into the sea of quanta that digest the will that holds the shape of the world. The Abyss targets that connection to the tree when that happens you get a HONKAI IMPACT.
Tyvatt had a Genshin GOD IMPACT. They knew they were going to loose. So he or she Cut it off. They they build a WALL the Firmament. The Celestial Dragon is likely fine in the Sea of Quanta as it's native to that environment hence why the God First Descender used it's body to Build the Structure of Tyvatt for it's resilient. This was always just to buy time. They were hoping for a Durandal type of Solution savior like Bianaca from HI3. Tyvatt is a Imaginary Well built out a Celestial dragon and is acting as a Plug and Wall but now over time it's slowly breaking down.
Evolution isn't happening because we are now closed off from more Imagination fuel to keep this world alive like a rotting leaf that is eating the last of it's nutrients. If we found soil we could grown into a Clone of the world but as of yet we have no where to graft this world to
Let me know if you all are interested in more. I do physics and theology so this has been fun all
Commenting before I watch: TYSM for making this video. I've been wondering about the archons and god race origins for years now and can hardly ever find anyone talking about it. Already know this is gonna be a W video
If all Life on Teyvat comes from Dragons it would explain why they're the only people with the abilities to manipulate the Elements to their will. The Primordial One and The Shades alongside the Abyss are the only people outside of the Descenders who have powers that don't pretain to the Elements. Hence leading to the Shades abilities- Death, Time, Life, etc. They also make destiny or the fate that is absolute. However, when the Descenders are mentioned they change the ideology and give the world a hope they shouldn't have. The ability to stand against The Heavenly Principles and rid of The Primordial One's desire and control. That explains why all other Descenders have helped The Primordial One and if they didn't they are used to make something to contain The original order of the world. Thats why the Third Descenders remains were used to make the gnosis because it was the only thing strong enough to do without killing The Primordial One and The Second Descender.