What a shame for a good husbando too. There’s just so much wrong with him that hurts him greatly.
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I agree with most of the things Noble said. His ascension stat should’ve been HP or ER, his base HP is too low, and his CDs are just bad. But I don’t agree with him being THAT bad of a character he saying Thoma is. Noble built him towards dps/sub dps, but he’s meant to be a shield character. You gave him all those Crit Rate and Crit dmg and noblesse set, but that’s useless to him. He needs HP and ER. 150% ER is really low and 19,000HP is also really low. Maybe I’m just high on copium, but I believe Thoma is meant to be a good replacement shield character if you don’t have zhongli and NOT a pyro Xinqiu
Thoma is supposed to use his e before burst then stack a lot.
The worst part of Thoma is that charged attacks don't trigger his burst. I don't have Hutao but know she uses a lot of charged attacks which means less shields.
He only seems to work well with Raiden for me. Ganyu's normal aimed shots aren't working so they made Thoma incompatible with charged bow users. You can try exiting aimed but the camera moving makes you dizzy.
I enjoy your content but allow me to disagree.U can run emblem of sev set on him with the catch and if u run him with another fire unit(idk lets say hu tao?diluc?) even if those 2 things i mentioned arent enough.The fact he gets fire particles from the other fire unit dealing any sort of dmg should be imo probably more than enough.Nobless is good but unfortunatelly like u said hes just a good shielder mostly.I think that if u focus on emblem of sev set with as much hp as u can get in sub stats(and maybe energy recharge with pyro dmg bonus on 1 of the pieces as a main stat?) he should be for the most part very good(also lets not forget if u have him c4 his energy drops to 65 from 80 techencly).As for his cooldowns.If u have him c2 at least and not c6 like yourself and use him as support which is honestly what he is a shielding support he is a lot more bearable(3 sec less cd on his E so it goes from 15 to 12 sec cd with a 8 sec duration and a 8 sec duration on his burst but with 14 sec instead of 20 cd its not good but its better than 20 for sure also that way u can permanently get scorching Ooyoroi since its duration is 15 sec).As for everything else i agree totally his hp starting stats and the face he scales with attack amd the talents number wises are meh.As far as thoma vs zhong li u tend to forget not everyone has zhong li and as for bennet i dont think theres a better support than bennet at least pyro wise so.But ye diona is defenetly better than thoma by far.Great video as always
Weird, another pyro inazuma character that has issues with ICD. Meh, I don't bother with shields anyway.
Sacrificial Polearm doesnt existe because of lore reasons. Mondstadt looked down upon that weapon type and so the people of old didnt make one. Even Favonius Lance didnt have a "Mondstadt user" pre Rosaria/Thoma.
yall say we dont have a sacrificial spear… the fish the literall FREE POLEARM that everyone threw on raiden gives Energy Recharge
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i'm so glad i jumped off of this train right at the start.
i can only hope more people wake up…
What a fucking joke 😂 I can easily skip this banner till Itto. Mihoyo is full of waifu coomers. I hope they don't ruin Itto too, but buff his model
the reason is actually quite obvious from a scummy business perspective. they know people r going 2 whale not only 4 Hu Tao but the shiny new guy so he can still suck and rake in cash 4 people who don't know or care or hell he'll sell regardless because people want Hu Tao and maybe Saiyu or Diona as well. they also don't want 2 give us 4 stars that r good anymore since they cost less 2 get and C6. they don't wnat F2P and low spenders 2 b happy with what they get, they want them 2 b beaten into submission by shit like abyss till they feal like they have 2 whale long term because .Mihoyo r greedy. the funny thing about that is though it will fuck with this game long term because if later on most of the content requires whale level pay 2 play 2 even pass content or over a year of grinding 2 slightly close the gap people won't want 2 start or decide 2 just play what they can and leave without spending a dime. "dude this F2P game looks fun." "no dude u get like half the actual gameplay before it forces u 2 need a 6 figure account minimum 2 get through content. after a while with it has huge power spikes and a fetish 4 DPS check time trials. don't even bother. or hell just do what u can F2P and quit after that, maybe roll a 5 star or 2 that u like but it won't actually mater."
And that’s why I’m just straight up making my C1 Thoma a physical shield and have him in the polearm family team I set up kekw
Ever noticed that almost all of the most powerful and well made cahracters/skills with amazing ICD gauges are from Liyue.
ooh yeah Mihoyo is a Chinese company.. Hmmm Hmm
I use Noelle over anyone else. Since I don't have Geo Daddy.
again why ppl hype dis man up so much he just meh xD hes just a 4* in the end we got baited hard by MHY this time around
Agree with you on the sacrificial polearm. they should make one in the future that will be part of the standard pull
Mihoyo doesn't want to make another 4* monster like Xingqiu or Benett.
But the fact is why people should play those new 4* when the ones you get since the start of the game are better ?
And they are easier to C6 because they exist since the start.
That's why just use Raiden Shogun in Thoma team. Thoma really problem is Energy Hungry.
I only wanted a dupe of him to put in my teapot. Just to look at him. And I got that dupe. He doesn't need to get built, to look pretty.
Imagine Sacrificial pole Arm exist : Zhongli OP spam shield , Raiden Shogun OP spam Elemental Skill & Xiao Spam E skill 😂.
He is just a budget zhongli built to shield Hu Tao…
The only fair complaint I would say would be his stats. Even that doesn’t matter given how his shields stack to a hp% limit.
Low damage on an off field shielder is a given.
You're shitting on Xinyan too much. Thoma isn't necessarily better then her. Is he a better shielder? Yes. Can he reduce physical damage resistance? No. Can he be a good burst support who can deny the existence of crit rate thanks to constellation? No. Can he be a nice dps? No. They're too different for such conclusions.
Actually from what i hesrd xinyan is better she dors decent damage and when u build her shuild its actually decent plus shes a claymore user so she hits hard harder then some of the other classes idk why people give her crap shes actually a decent build when up her talents and get the right artifacts shes a great compliment to razor too
RIP inazuma four stars. All of them are unusable
if his shielding lasted longer he would be fine
Thoma is not a design to be a dps character he is a support and not even a good one. of course he don't have a good dps…
This video is so full of shit it's not even funny bro.
First off, you proceed to show us how much better Diona is in the same domain while putting her on a team while Thoma was by himself
Second, He's a support character, not a DPS, comparing him to Hu Tao and Zhondong which are arguably one of the best characters in the game is not a good look. The best comparison is to Xiangling as you said but even then that's to an extent because Thoma and Xiangling are meant for two different things
Third, you proceed to ignore the fact that ER Polerarms exist and the fact that you can take care of his ER/HP problems with other Artifact Sets. They're there for a reason
Fourth, you left his regular attack Talent level at Level 1 of course hes not gonna do much damage if you forget to level his Attack Talent.
"Why would you ever use Thoma over Zhongli?"
I'm glad you asked that strawman. The answer is quite Simple. If you don't have Zhongli
Granted you can use Noelle or even Xinyan or Diona but that really depends on what element you need and who you rather use.
Of course you do bring up some good points like how BS it is that he assends with Attack percentage when it really should be ER or HP
But you're comparing Apples to Oranges by even bringing up Hu Tao and Zhongli into this argument and you keep forgetting important details to make your argument stronger and that doesn't really make you very credible.
You probably won't read this but in case any of your sheep decide to read this to keep in mind that not everything you say is fact
And if you taken the chance to read all this I am not a Mihoyo stan or anything of the sort, I criticize this game heavily myself when playing at times but I think that misrepresenting something to make your argument stronger and some people who would just blatantly agree with anything a person with a following says Is not a very good look for you.
In retrospective Try again
You can't blame your incompetence on Bad Game design.
The Zhong li situation 2.0
Thoma's C6 refreshes every time his ult refreshes his shield, which is once every second. It basically lasts forever considering his C1 and C2 making his ult duration near 100%.
Having said that, Thoma would actually fit on a lot of pyro DPS teams as a shieldbot and pyro resonance enabler. The biggest issue isn't actually that he's poorly designed; it's that as a pyro support he's competing with Bennett. There's just no winning that unless you go full power creep. If Bennett didn't exist, he would be an excellent safety/defensive option for pyro carry teams. It's only because Bennett is Bennett that he ends up relegated to the only pyro DPS that doesn't really want Bennett.
One question…. If you even looked at his kit, why would you even try to make a damage build. Go pure hp%. He is pure should character.