IMO the biggest "winners" from having Cloud Retainer are Hu Tao C0 players. I never liked playing with Hu Tao because of her annoying jump-cancel to be played at C0, and I didn't feel good about investing to get her to C1, so I just left her aside… until Cloud Retainer, now it does feel somewhat nice and smooth to jump-cancel with Hu Tao.
Gaming, Furina, Xinqiu, and Xianyun. Set up: Gaming skill -> Yianyun skill then burst, Xinqiu burst and skill, Furina skill and burst. Gaming skill -> 2NA, Repeat for ~8 vaporizes
I guess you can look at this as Gaming with Xianyun support, or alternately, you can look at it as a Xianyun team with Gaming filling the "Faruzan" role… a four star that requires C6 so the five star can function. Just the inverse from the norm, in regards to which roles the five and four star fill. Gaming is a niche DPS four star for Xianyun.
I wonder if we'll see more of this for future five star niche-role supports. Will they also get a four star DPS that can perform at five star levels if teamed with that specific support and C6?
Hu Tao may be more mobile, but I love the gameplay of Gaming. Considering a four star, even at c6, can compete with a top tier DPS that is from the 'old era' of Genshin characters where they were stupidly strong (Ganyu for example) I see that as a win.
May not be as good or efficient, but its neat to me and fun to play.
Xianyun giving hu tao another weapon on her arsenal, now it's 2, CA for ST and plunge for AOE her gameplay is much more better now which is really fun 😊
Problem with gaming is that you need specfic supports and when you have all of his best supports, he is redundant on your account since every other alternatives can give similar outputs anyway
Think Jstern got it spot on when he said Gaming is the perfect example of the failures of pre-release theorycrafting. Great fun though, he's cleared Floor 12 for me
People are so far into the brainrot of "4* dps are trash" to the point that we're nitpicking on circle impact and that Gaming is trash because he doesnt powercreep Hu Tao. As if Navia is that strong without Bennett and she wishes she has Gaming's aoe
diluc also makes use of double hydro a lot better than Gaming. So in an abyss setting where enemies spawn spread out, my goat will apply hydro in between plunges and destroy everything like a pekka from clash royale
Hutao's gameplay flaws are still such a huge turn off. I defrosted her after 2 years to try with Furina and Xianyun and she's back in the freezer on the same day.
Meanwhille, Gaming is just much much more fun and satisfying to play. And I never have to worry about stamina or excessively chasing after enemies.
Pyro archon better be a dynamic teamwide ATK buffer and healer with no circle impact. I'm just so tired of Circle Impact. It should never have been a thing in a game that features very open battles.
Gaming and Hu Tao are quiet similar to one another if you ask me. The two have a fun-outgoing personality, both have Pyro vision, both their hair are brown. And like what some comments says here, they are powerful in-game.
Couple issues. Gaming is in fact not stronger than Diluc in plunge. Diluc is ALREADY stronger than Hutao in terms of damage. Literally just do a dmg parse (10 seconds) which is enough to land all 8 plunges. For diluc this calcs to a value well over the N1CJCP combo for Hutao.
People have been claiming this is super high. Unfortunately this is only 3168% for hutao. Diluc on the other hand will have done 3528%
This means Diluc outputs higher damage. The only issue one can state is that Claymore's aren't very good. But Gaming uses Claymore. So it's not really that kind of a difference.
Gaming does not beat Diluc. It's all a made up lie. Theoretically he does. Unfortunately his DPS parses rely on things that aren't exactly consistent. It's all theoretical. Gaming outperforming Diluc entirely relies on Diluc having 0 constellations. But c2 Hutao and C2 Diluc aren't hard things to obtain. And Diluc only needs c2 to be well beyond both Hutao and Gaming with Xianyun.
We really need to preface these statements in a proper way. As for the Pyro application, hutao applies pyro too fast, but as far as I could tell, Diluc didn't, even with the much faster plunges.
This is because Hutao wants about 10-15 vapes in 10 seconds. Diluc only needs 8. Which is easily obtained.
Youtubers and theorycrafters also really need to stop with the 4* c6 simping as a c6 4 star is about on par with a c1-c2 5 star in terms of difficulty to obtain.
Do we not remember people who have done 200+ wishes and not gotten the 4 star they wanted c6? It's actually annoyingly common. I have c2 raiden, but no c6 sara. I have her c5. All because Raiden has guarantees. There is no guarantee for Kujou Sara. Gaming is the same. There's NO guarantee for him. its a 33% chance on the 10 pull pities, and a significantly worse chance on the 10 pull no feature guarantees.
Lmk if you like 1:1 dps comparisons like this one
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IMO the biggest "winners" from having Cloud Retainer are Hu Tao C0 players. I never liked playing with Hu Tao because of her annoying jump-cancel to be played at C0, and I didn't feel good about investing to get her to C1, so I just left her aside… until Cloud Retainer, now it does feel somewhat nice and smooth to jump-cancel with Hu Tao.
Gaming, Furina, Xinqiu, and Xianyun.
Set up: Gaming skill -> Yianyun skill then burst, Xinqiu burst and skill, Furina skill and burst.
Gaming skill -> 2NA, Repeat for ~8 vaporizes
Peace!
I guess you can look at this as Gaming with Xianyun support, or alternately, you can look at it as a Xianyun team with Gaming filling the "Faruzan" role… a four star that requires C6 so the five star can function. Just the inverse from the norm, in regards to which roles the five and four star fill. Gaming is a niche DPS four star for Xianyun.
I wonder if we'll see more of this for future five star niche-role supports. Will they also get a four star DPS that can perform at five star levels if teamed with that specific support and C6?
Hu Tao may be more mobile, but I love the gameplay of Gaming. Considering a four star, even at c6, can compete with a top tier DPS that is from the 'old era' of Genshin characters where they were stupidly strong (Ganyu for example) I see that as a win.
May not be as good or efficient, but its neat to me and fun to play.
Xianyun giving hu tao another weapon on her arsenal, now it's 2, CA for ST and plunge for AOE her gameplay is much more better now which is really fun 😊
this guy is an idiot as usual lol
8:29 Do you think Diluc with constellations can reach Gaming's level? I have him at C1 but idk how much of a damage increase it gives
I lost 5050 and no Gaming yet WAAAAAA…
hi TGS I want to ask the question at 5:20 where xingqiu was doing 27% of the team's dmg compared to Yelan's 18%, is that a calculation error?
I built C0 Gaming with 140% ER (still no burst after rotation), only have C5 Bennett and no Furina. Learn from my mistake guys 💀
Problem with gaming is that you need specfic supports and when you have all of his best supports, he is redundant on your account since every other alternatives can give similar outputs anyway
C6 4 stars are so hard to get, that they should AT LEAST match a C1 5 star.
this is like comparing raiden to keqing
I'm only getting 50-60k vapes with my Hu Tao, is it low? Furina, XQ, Jean, 90/210 crit, MH set, Fjords R1
I'm really curious how much of a DPS loss the double hydro (no Bennett) Gaming team is, if for nothing else that you don't need to play circle impact
Think Jstern got it spot on when he said Gaming is the perfect example of the failures of pre-release theorycrafting. Great fun though, he's cleared Floor 12 for me
Limited team is necessary or he is trash. And on top not a waifu or husbando. No thanks.
People are so far into the brainrot of "4* dps are trash" to the point that we're nitpicking on circle impact and that Gaming is trash because he doesnt powercreep Hu Tao. As if Navia is that strong without Bennett and she wishes she has Gaming's aoe
I love to play to catch the lion in the air (i think gaming was designed for that) that way i have 7 skills per rotation instead the 5 you said…
8:26 Does anyone try to replace Bennett with Layla?
Just wait till we get our 5 star Bennett with no circle impact. Just wait.
Do you think he's worth building without Xianyun? (He and Bennett are both c6)
diluc also makes use of double hydro a lot better than Gaming. So in an abyss setting where enemies spawn spread out, my goat will apply hydro in between plunges and destroy everything like a pekka from clash royale
oh hell yeah, another decent hutao buff, just what we needed 🙏
Hutao's gameplay flaws are still such a huge turn off. I defrosted her after 2 years to try with Furina and Xianyun and she's back in the freezer on the same day.
Meanwhille, Gaming is just much much more fun and satisfying to play. And I never have to worry about stamina or excessively chasing after enemies.
Pyro archon better be a dynamic teamwide ATK buffer and healer with no circle impact. I'm just so tired of Circle Impact. It should never have been a thing in a game that features very open battles.
We all spreadsheet too hard sometimes
hutao cant catch a break
previously shes having a beef with xiangling and now that she got buff theres another competitor that is also a 4 star
glad you made a follow up vid
hopefully they keep the no circle impact unit streak going
Gaming and Hu Tao are quiet similar to one another if you ask me. The two have a fun-outgoing personality, both have Pyro vision, both their hair are brown. And like what some comments says here, they are powerful in-game.
Anyone shipping them…? XD
I am f2p with c1 hutao and c1 gaming so I guess it depends on the kind of luck u get on certain banners 😂
Couple issues. Gaming is in fact not stronger than Diluc in plunge. Diluc is ALREADY stronger than Hutao in terms of damage. Literally just do a dmg parse (10 seconds) which is enough to land all 8 plunges. For diluc this calcs to a value well over the N1CJCP combo for Hutao.
People have been claiming this is super high. Unfortunately this is only 3168% for hutao. Diluc on the other hand will have done 3528%
This means Diluc outputs higher damage. The only issue one can state is that Claymore's aren't very good. But Gaming uses Claymore. So it's not really that kind of a difference.
Gaming does not beat Diluc. It's all a made up lie. Theoretically he does. Unfortunately his DPS parses rely on things that aren't exactly consistent. It's all theoretical. Gaming outperforming Diluc entirely relies on Diluc having 0 constellations. But c2 Hutao and C2 Diluc aren't hard things to obtain. And Diluc only needs c2 to be well beyond both Hutao and Gaming with Xianyun.
We really need to preface these statements in a proper way. As for the Pyro application, hutao applies pyro too fast, but as far as I could tell, Diluc didn't, even with the much faster plunges.
This is because Hutao wants about 10-15 vapes in 10 seconds. Diluc only needs 8. Which is easily obtained.
Youtubers and theorycrafters also really need to stop with the 4* c6 simping as a c6 4 star is about on par with a c1-c2 5 star in terms of difficulty to obtain.
Do we not remember people who have done 200+ wishes and not gotten the 4 star they wanted c6? It's actually annoyingly common. I have c2 raiden, but no c6 sara. I have her c5. All because Raiden has guarantees. There is no guarantee for Kujou Sara. Gaming is the same. There's NO guarantee for him. its a 33% chance on the 10 pull pities, and a significantly worse chance on the 10 pull no feature guarantees.
i wonder if i wouldve pulled c1 hu tao last rerun if i knew xianyun would be my favorite hu tao comp lol