Alright, this definitely changes everything. But now I have a crazy theory;
What if the Hydro Gnosis was destroyed?
There’s a theory that when the Sovereign were defeated by Celestia and the humans, Celestia put most of the essence of the Sovereign into the Gnoses, and divided the rest into Visions.
And before you mention Apep, know that his full essence hasn’t been released. Nahida stated that she and Traveller just purged the corrupted side of them, and it’s shown upon its release that it was only a part of Apep as they didn’t return to full physical form and was just spiritual.
Anyways, eventually Focalors gets her hands of the Gnosis and becomes the Archon, and eventually she experiments with the powers of the Gnosis and attempts to use it to power the Oratrice.
Yet something goes horribly wrong, and the Gnosis is destroyed in the process.
And while most of the power of the Gnosis was absorbed by the Oratrice, a portion of it was released, and gave form to Neuvillette.
As a result of the Gnosis being destroyed, Focalors lost her powers and abilities to divinely utilize justice. In addition, she lost her memories of how the Oratrice functioned or how she lost her powers.
And as the Sovereign has now been partially released, the prophecy can now become true.
Because just as the Sovereigns hate Celestia and the Archons, a released Neuvillette would want to destroy Fontaine in revenge.
But the reason he hasn’t done so yet is because he’s not at full power and doesn’t recall everything as the rest of his memories and power make up the Oratrice.
And as for how this would affect the Fatui getting all 7 Gnoses, I can imagine that with Neuvillette’s release that they would intervene and put at least most of his essence back into a new one. That, or the Fatui could put the remaining essence into a new host and use that.
I would think that furina have double personality? So her double is the one who does all the work, hence she confidently (well, not really) said she have her own plan. But she doesn't know the detail of it. Its probably related to the curse arlecchino talk about?
I think Furina IS the hydro archon, but possibly that there’s something holding her back or blocking her from using her true power. Or maybe it’s something the previous archon did just before she passed? Only time and the 4.2 patch can tell us the real answer!
Hmm Nahida said she's the archon and have a unique personality, if she's not Nahida should know. So or Focalors is hidden in the oratrice as they say, or there is a way to fool Nahida wisdom, or there is a plot hole somewhere
I can't believe that you're still living with the Knave was just talking and standing right in front of you. It's still intimidating, in my opinion, knowing that of if you found the Hydro Archon and the gnosis, she will do everything in her power to make sure she will have what she seeks.
Speaking of true Archon, it is quite the mystery who could be the true Hydro god. I thought that Neuvilette would be the best candidate since the God of Water is the God of Jusice but with the story going on, I'm surprised that it wasn't the case. Either Furina has a double personality and threw her Gnosis away or it has to be someone else or… maybe… i might be crazy but maybe there is another Furina… okay, that last one might be stupid.
Now this gives me a theory , What if Furina is a puppet made to be real drama queen , Someone who the people will love made by the real archon who hides day and night within the Oratrice Mechanique D’analyse’s Basement , Thats why Lyney heard someone , And Maybe the Real archon herself doesn’t like drama , so she’d think she wouldnt be likeable , SO SHE USED A PUPPET TO GET THE ENERGY TO SUPPLY HER ORATRICE , THE MACHINE , It gave people belief in justice
I was wondering how Childe can say that there is no sanity in every bone of her body using the earlier interactions and considering how she also wants to solve the prophecy. But when she tried to assassinate her…. nvm
I think Furina IS the hydro archon but something has weakened her, or her power is elsewhere. She has to put on a big show so that people won’t notice, like a magic act.
I dont think there is any hydro archon yet. Furina is the temporary situation. Neuvillette is known, but he can not expose it. A nation needs a ruler .This reminds me of Alexander the Great as Egeria. Their death is very sudden. Alexander final words "To the strongest"
I think that Furina is so helpless because she has NO power. Yep, it sounds stupid, but we haven't seen her once using even a bit of power, not even something related to being a god.
Now that we know that she is not an archon, I think that she is just an immortal human. But Furina doesn't even have a vision or delusion, probably that's why she is powerless.
She's an archon, but I still believe the main reason why she is just seems so ungodly-like is partly bcs she has actually become very weak inside, weak enough that she might end up losing her archonhood later on bcs of it, so she tried to hide that the best she could by trying to act all high and mighty, but at the same time, also runs away everytime she feared she might get into actual conflict and lose face bcs she knows full well she doesn't have enough power left for that. My reasoning is bcs her hair has been glowing the entire time ever since she came onscreen from the very beginning. Usually, archons' hair only glows when they're using their power, which would've meant that Furina has for some reasons (probably to halt the prophecy…Don't think it has anything to do with the oratice per se bcs it was also glowing during Lyney's magic show when the oratice was not in use) been unleashing her archon power continuously ever since the beginning of the archon quest. I would imagine that to be a huge burden on Furina herself if true and could possibly make her extremely weak and needy for ppl's attention and continued faith in her to replenish her power…and I hope by the end of the archon quest, she would've used up all her power and end up losing her archonhood bcs of it. I actually would be interesting IMO…And no, I also don't believe for a second should Furina really lose her archonhood, Neuvillette would take her place either. Neuvillette is a dragon sovereign. He's much higher of a being to actually become pawn to Celestia, and from his voicelines, he isn't exactly fond of archons as well, same as Apep, so no way in hell is he going to take the title of archon. Calling him an archon would've been an insult to him tbh. I believe Fontaine will just become a city without a ruling archon in the end, just governed by a dragon sovereign and a former archon. Since a dragon sovereign is the one in charge of the region, doubt Celestia would do anything about it either bcs don't think they would want unnecessary conflict with a dragon sovereign (heck, if they have issue with archons relinguishing their ruling authority to someone else, they would've had problem ever since Zhongli…lol )
Furina is like little oceanid Ann in the world quest who’s a small weak piece of Anna who’s intentionally keeping lil Ann in a story setting of saving her kingdom and princes… but lil Ann doesn’t really know wuts going on or why but trust in the ending of the story.. aka Furina doesn’t have a clue about how things work or why just knows/feels she should trust the divine revelation which will reveal itself aka she has no evidence to show so it’s a “just trust me bro” explains her insecurities to.. she has nothing to show just knows something is gonna happen.. like Ann she put her trust in the finale of the story aka prophecy of saving fontaine.. nahida didn’t have a gnosis on her nor did Ei so arlecchino is wrong to assume not having a gnosis on ur persons doesn’t mean ur not an archon.. also nahida never fought back until WE helped and Venti never fought back so arlecchino is wrong to assume furinas not an archon cause she didn’t fight back and cried.. I think the ppl speculating Furina is former hydro archons daughter are probably correct or rather based on how oceanids work.. they split/divide/detach pieces that become new borns and their own individuals.. conclusion I think this is a Rukka/Nahida situation.. hydro archon intentionally birth Furina from a piece of her self before she died.. easily explains Furinas sense of insecurities loneliness abandonment issues aka why she desires attention and we can hear her crying about being so lonely in the fountain at nite.. … 😭 which explains why she puts on drama and an act to get attention from the ppl… I think she lack all confidence and is utterly insecure and really needs love/friend sadly Nuev isn’t picking up on it.. after all he doesn’t fully understand human emotions let alone a hydro god/ oceanid like being.. based on this and more.. 100% chance Furina IS THE ARCHON… hasn’t the core themes been emotions and failing to understand and water and emotions and conciousness merging ungrateful and spitting aka oceanids.. now primordial water merging all conciousness into one… also we now know humans can become oceanids.. so oceanids becoming human isn’t far fetched… serial killer of the women.. they merged conciousness and became an oceanid.. 😂 they did say the transition was peaceful but still pissed they got “killed” conclusion Furina is to the former hydroarchon wut nahida is to rukka… all the above points to this…
I’m starting to believe that the hydro archon is split into 2 entities: Furina and the Oratrice Macanique d’Analyse Cardinale.
Given that Furina was inflicted with some kind of curse as revealed by Arlecchino, and she doesn’t remember anything even before creating the Oratrice, it is quite possible that she used/split her power to create a machine that would accurately carry out justice while also creating an energy source that will most likely be used in some way to combat the crisis, as also mentioned by Arlecchino.
After all, everything about Furina seems to be split: Her appearance, her kit, her personality. It is very possible that the Oratrice is the one in possession of the Hydro Gnosis and thus is possibly the mastermind behind it all. Specially given how Furina confidently says she has been working on a plan, but is unsure as to what the plan even is, almost as if she’s speaking for 2 different entities.
pov : the girl that childe talked about that said when we are with freminet is actually the hydro archon before she died and she said its not time yet…which means childe might be the hydro archon because i think if childe came to fontainr it would make him the archon and i think if an archon is decided fontaine will be flooded by primordial sea..thats why neuvillette said " im sorry i decline your request , its not time yet " i think the before hydro archon reincarnated or had a form like a whale but so big..then after she reincarnated she tried to make childe the archon by asking a request from neuvillette cause it would destroy fontaine.
In my theory furina have 2 mode 1. Furina with white shirt and white pants so furina have 2 characteristic and i assume this characteristic is not hydro archon but another characteristic is the archon (i mean another characteristic is furina with dark blue shirt and dark blue pants/black)
Neuvillete Tricks the Traveler into Going Jail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnIBij7Ni0A
Furina Acting like a Child with Neuvilette https://youtu.be/CWdDqh2T4JQ
Alright, this definitely changes everything. But now I have a crazy theory;
What if the Hydro Gnosis was destroyed?
There’s a theory that when the Sovereign were defeated by Celestia and the humans, Celestia put most of the essence of the Sovereign into the Gnoses, and divided the rest into Visions.
And before you mention Apep, know that his full essence hasn’t been released. Nahida stated that she and Traveller just purged the corrupted side of them, and it’s shown upon its release that it was only a part of Apep as they didn’t return to full physical form and was just spiritual.
Anyways, eventually Focalors gets her hands of the Gnosis and becomes the Archon, and eventually she experiments with the powers of the Gnosis and attempts to use it to power the Oratrice.
Yet something goes horribly wrong, and the Gnosis is destroyed in the process.
And while most of the power of the Gnosis was absorbed by the Oratrice, a portion of it was released, and gave form to Neuvillette.
As a result of the Gnosis being destroyed, Focalors lost her powers and abilities to divinely utilize justice. In addition, she lost her memories of how the Oratrice functioned or how she lost her powers.
And as the Sovereign has now been partially released, the prophecy can now become true.
Because just as the Sovereigns hate Celestia and the Archons, a released Neuvillette would want to destroy Fontaine in revenge.
But the reason he hasn’t done so yet is because he’s not at full power and doesn’t recall everything as the rest of his memories and power make up the Oratrice.
And as for how this would affect the Fatui getting all 7 Gnoses, I can imagine that with Neuvillette’s release that they would intervene and put at least most of his essence back into a new one. That, or the Fatui could put the remaining essence into a new host and use that.
I would think that furina have double personality? So her double is the one who does all the work, hence she confidently (well, not really) said she have her own plan. But she doesn't know the detail of it. Its probably related to the curse arlecchino talk about?
I think Furina IS the hydro archon, but possibly that there’s something holding her back or blocking her from using her true power. Or maybe it’s something the previous archon did just before she passed?
Only time and the 4.2 patch can tell us the real answer!
Why is liney calling arlecchino father,she's a woman
Hmm Nahida said she's the archon and have a unique personality, if she's not Nahida should know. So or Focalors is hidden in the oratrice as they say, or there is a way to fool Nahida wisdom, or there is a plot hole somewhere
I wish Yelan was another "secret" fatui like Lyney
she totally could be one of them, and actually in Liyue they don't know almost anything of her
It sounds like focalors is furina, but is not residing in her body.
Is she got DiD or something?
I can't believe that you're still living with the Knave was just talking and standing right in front of you. It's still intimidating, in my opinion, knowing that of if you found the Hydro Archon and the gnosis, she will do everything in her power to make sure she will have what she seeks.
Speaking of true Archon, it is quite the mystery who could be the true Hydro god. I thought that Neuvilette would be the best candidate since the God of Water is the God of Jusice but with the story going on, I'm surprised that it wasn't the case. Either Furina has a double personality and threw her Gnosis away or it has to be someone else or… maybe… i might be crazy but maybe there is another Furina… okay, that last one might be stupid.
I was like..girl. Your the hydro archon, you could easily drown that btc. Why tf are you on the ground begging for your life?!?!!
Now this gives me a theory , What if Furina is a puppet made to be real drama queen , Someone who the people will love made by the real archon who hides day and night within the Oratrice Mechanique D’analyse’s Basement , Thats why Lyney heard someone , And Maybe the Real archon herself doesn’t like drama , so she’d think she wouldnt be likeable , SO SHE USED A PUPPET TO GET THE ENERGY TO SUPPLY HER ORATRICE , THE MACHINE , It gave people belief in justice
I was wondering how Childe can say that there is no sanity in every bone of her body using the earlier interactions and considering how she also wants to solve the prophecy. But when she tried to assassinate her…. nvm
Furina is the hydro archon
She just have multiple personalities
There couple theories i have
1. She might not have her powers unlocked
2. She might have a alternative personality to the real hydro archon lock away were the other has vision
3. She prouble ether human or she cursed not using her powers like the traveler
Anyone know what that music palying is?
rumors said she has the power to change the future or someshit
Arlecchino: Expresses doubts on who the Archon is
Me: Knowing the personalities of the others "Be careful what ya wish for, punk!"
I think Furina IS the hydro archon but something has weakened her, or her power is elsewhere. She has to put on a big show so that people won’t notice, like a magic act.
I'll pull for you Arlecchino
I dont think there is any hydro archon yet. Furina is the temporary situation.
Neuvillette is known, but he can not expose it. A nation needs a ruler .This reminds me of Alexander the Great as Egeria. Their death is very sudden. Alexander final words "To the strongest"
I think that Furina is so helpless because she has NO power. Yep, it sounds stupid, but we haven't seen her once using even a bit of power, not even something related to being a god.
Now that we know that she is not an archon, I think that she is just an immortal human. But Furina doesn't even have a vision or delusion, probably that's why she is powerless.
Poor Furina 😢
She's an archon, but I still believe the main reason why she is just seems so ungodly-like is partly bcs she has actually become very weak inside, weak enough that she might end up losing her archonhood later on bcs of it, so she tried to hide that the best she could by trying to act all high and mighty, but at the same time, also runs away everytime she feared she might get into actual conflict and lose face bcs she knows full well she doesn't have enough power left for that. My reasoning is bcs her hair has been glowing the entire time ever since she came onscreen from the very beginning. Usually, archons' hair only glows when they're using their power, which would've meant that Furina has for some reasons (probably to halt the prophecy…Don't think it has anything to do with the oratice per se bcs it was also glowing during Lyney's magic show when the oratice was not in use) been unleashing her archon power continuously ever since the beginning of the archon quest. I would imagine that to be a huge burden on Furina herself if true and could possibly make her extremely weak and needy for ppl's attention and continued faith in her to replenish her power…and I hope by the end of the archon quest, she would've used up all her power and end up losing her archonhood bcs of it. I actually would be interesting IMO…And no, I also don't believe for a second should Furina really lose her archonhood, Neuvillette would take her place either. Neuvillette is a dragon sovereign. He's much higher of a being to actually become pawn to Celestia, and from his voicelines, he isn't exactly fond of archons as well, same as Apep, so no way in hell is he going to take the title of archon. Calling him an archon would've been an insult to him tbh. I believe Fontaine will just become a city without a ruling archon in the end, just governed by a dragon sovereign and a former archon. Since a dragon sovereign is the one in charge of the region, doubt Celestia would do anything about it either bcs don't think they would want unnecessary conflict with a dragon sovereign (heck, if they have issue with archons relinguishing their ruling authority to someone else, they would've had problem ever since Zhongli…lol )
She might be slip in 2 and using her other half to make judgements.
Furina is like little oceanid Ann in the world quest who’s a small weak piece of Anna who’s intentionally keeping lil Ann in a story setting of saving her kingdom and princes… but lil Ann doesn’t really know wuts going on or why but trust in the ending of the story.. aka Furina doesn’t have a clue about how things work or why just knows/feels she should trust the divine revelation which will reveal itself aka she has no evidence to show so it’s a “just trust me bro” explains her insecurities to.. she has nothing to show just knows something is gonna happen.. like Ann she put her trust in the finale of the story aka prophecy of saving fontaine.. nahida didn’t have a gnosis on her nor did Ei so arlecchino is wrong to assume not having a gnosis on ur persons doesn’t mean ur not an archon.. also nahida never fought back until WE helped and Venti never fought back so arlecchino is wrong to assume furinas not an archon cause she didn’t fight back and cried.. I think the ppl speculating Furina is former hydro archons daughter are probably correct or rather based on how oceanids work.. they split/divide/detach pieces that become new borns and their own individuals.. conclusion I think this is a Rukka/Nahida situation.. hydro archon intentionally birth Furina from a piece of her self before she died.. easily explains Furinas sense of insecurities loneliness abandonment issues aka why she desires attention and we can hear her crying about being so lonely in the fountain at nite.. … 😭 which explains why she puts on drama and an act to get attention from the ppl… I think she lack all confidence and is utterly insecure and really needs love/friend sadly Nuev isn’t picking up on it.. after all he doesn’t fully understand human emotions let alone a hydro god/ oceanid like being.. based on this and more.. 100% chance Furina IS THE ARCHON… hasn’t the core themes been emotions and failing to understand and water and emotions and conciousness merging ungrateful and spitting aka oceanids.. now primordial water merging all conciousness into one… also we now know humans can become oceanids.. so oceanids becoming human isn’t far fetched… serial killer of the women.. they merged conciousness and became an oceanid.. 😂 they did say the transition was peaceful but still pissed they got “killed” conclusion Furina is to the former hydroarchon wut nahida is to rukka… all the above points to this…
why do they call Arlecchino "father?"
I’m starting to believe that the hydro archon is split into 2 entities: Furina and the Oratrice Macanique d’Analyse Cardinale.
Given that Furina was inflicted with some kind of curse as revealed by Arlecchino, and she doesn’t remember anything even before creating the Oratrice, it is quite possible that she used/split her power to create a machine that would accurately carry out justice while also creating an energy source that will most likely be used in some way to combat the crisis, as also mentioned by Arlecchino.
After all, everything about Furina seems to be split: Her appearance, her kit, her personality. It is very possible that the Oratrice is the one in possession of the Hydro Gnosis and thus is possibly the mastermind behind it all. Specially given how Furina confidently says she has been working on a plan, but is unsure as to what the plan even is, almost as if she’s speaking for 2 different entities.
Can't wait for 11th Harbinger Traveler "Light in the Abyss" or something like that
Arlechino is so smart and stealthy, like V 🎭 i want Furina and Arlecchino in my account 😂
pov : the girl that childe talked about that said when we are with freminet is actually the hydro archon before she died and she said its not time yet…which means childe might be the hydro archon because i think if childe came to fontainr it would make him the archon and i think if an archon is decided fontaine will be flooded by primordial sea..thats why neuvillette said " im sorry i decline your request , its not time yet " i think the before hydro archon reincarnated or had a form like a whale but so big..then after she reincarnated she tried to make childe the archon by asking a request from neuvillette cause it would destroy fontaine.
Pls don’t die like signora
In my theory furina have 2 mode
1. Furina with white shirt and white pants so furina have 2 characteristic and i assume this characteristic is not hydro archon but another characteristic is the archon (i mean another characteristic is furina with dark blue shirt and dark blue pants/black)