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As stated at the beginning, take this with a huge grain of salt! As an example, in the time between filming this and now, I actually would move Collei up a tier, and Xiangling up 1-2. Happy TCGing everyone!
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Diluc really got undercut here, yeah skill spam is his initial game plan but his burst can one shot with very little setup and there are a lot of cards that support his particular gameplan.
Nice bell curves!
i personally think noelle is a low-mid s tier. With a good electro/hydro/pyro/cryo applier, gamblers, gravestone/sacrificial, geo res shield (op 5 shield and 6 with crystallize and minty meat rolls you can prepare a OTK with like 4 rounds with some dice and card rng. Only counter is yoiyaka and freeze. Those are the only two teams i have lost to so far and i beat both of them sometimes when i had good rng
I thought Noelle was great with wgs
For Diluc I use a summon deck with Xiangling and Oceanid
Seriously, tier list on tcg is just dumb.. those mEtA otk team can still lose by a diona team.. also keqing quicken team can slap those slow otk setup really fast if u know how to play it
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The release seems a week late but great tierlist, there's a lot more thought and testing done to it than Tenten's tierlist. I honestly thought his list was garbage, especially about Xinqui. Good thing your list validates me.
As someone who has played pvp with basically nothing but mono hydro and diona stall, you've missed some important aspects.
Ocean burst obviously seems difficult to capitalize on, that is the main reason she is used as a Calx battery. It allows you to cheaply accelerate into additional Maiden or first Barbara/Diona bursts. Both are huge tempo shifts, especially since it's hard to play around with that action being hidden in your hand.
Hydro resonance + NRE food + lucky dog + diona/barbara burst healing is an insane amount of mid round sustain. Extremely difficult for some decks to push through with smart switch stalling, even making it to where gamblers never procs.
Smart use of Barbara cleanse is crucial, since the hydro is applied EoR you can save a unit from deadly reactions at the start of the next. There's nothing better than freezing off a cryo application. End round after your opponent if they have summons that can apply elements, except for collei because oops free cores…
And finally Maiden. Oh boy did you guys misplace her. She's a shark waiting for the smell of blood in the water. She kills so efficiently from outta nowhere, any unit the opponent ends round on could just be dead. Especially if they greed on a single character R1 since she can and will FTK or round start kill on the second (pour one out for all Yoi mains without a brain). If you switch stall with Ocean summons up, and apply her skill to the character your opponent ends round on, that's 5 dmg minimum with just bird. 11 with all 3 going off. Her talent is also one of the only ones to effect an opponents dice totals, and almost always sees value if you pull it early with the increased duration. Then her low cost burst is extremely efficient, and with teching one adeptus in your deck threatens from an absurd range and is again "hidden" intent with being in hand.
All in all, I feel this tier list will radically change in just a week or two once players get more confident playing the slower control decks which only really lose to geo combo atm outside of our freeze variants which is mostly even. Thanks for the video though, was an interesting thought experiment!
Ngl, just watched half of the video and I'm already wondering if you both were trolling when making this ranking or what? I get it with Yoimiya, but XQ?? Really?
Yes, we'll indeed take it with a grain of salt, but we need to understand the standards you both adopted behind ranking a character above the other.
Is it based on Co-op matches? Bosses? Adventures? Highest damage? Or the best card for flexibility?
For example, your reasoning behind Chongyun was that he does a lot of damage, but then when talking about Diluc who does higher, the problem of requiring 3 energy was brought up although he has the same requirement as Chongyun.
Obviously that wasn't the main issue, but that's why I said we need to know the standards here. Bc Freeze is strong? I've seen a lot of people counter it already, so what else?
Of course this is only one example from the video. 🙃
This reminded me of how much I hated character tier lists in the game. Now it affected the cards too. 🙄
Chongyun was the first dynamic skin I got <3
I still play him in the regular game too.
That's all wrong
Noelle deck is actually decent against ayakamiya with the geo resonance card
Been playing Co-op I like beating these meta decks. Using the default characters. Most of them concede cuz they never had a chance to get their combo up.
I main Noelle in TCG because she's so easy to play. Noelle Ningguang and Xingqiu
In my opinion noelle is ss tier cz i defeat all bosses in serious mode using her
Keqing is A tier WTF. She's so good. If you placed Ayaka on A tier when she's only really good mostly thanks to Yoimiya, than Keqing is DEFINITELY A tier bcus Quicken is op and Keqing's card alone is really strong and usefull too.
I'm playing an overload team with Fischl, Keqing and Xiangling
This team can counter most team comp that requires setup and very effective against any bots
Hate to break it to ya, but the meta has already been established. Noelle OTK (Noelle/Geochurl/Xingqiu), Ayamiya OKT (Ayaka/Yoimiya/flex), summons deck (Fischl/Oceanid/Xiangling), and Collei quicken (Collei/Fischl/Keqing).
A proper Noelle OTK deck is S tier on par with Ayamiya.
I honestly think pyro agent just does better dmg than diluc when you use him as your hypercarry, but he also has the utility of being a pyro reso bot
In hindisght it makes a lot of sense that the single target characters are OP in the card game.
I haven't been following what was meta, but on day 1 I had to choose between the characters I liked: Ayaka and Yoimiya or the characters who were day 1 meta: Ganyu and Keqing. I went with my favorite characters.
imagine putting keqing in B when she is literally the most broken card in the game
You’re very pretty brax. Good vid with zajef.
question : Crimson Witch of Flames full set or Shimenawa's Reminiscence full seet best for Hu Tou ?
Plot twist and spoiler: The bird is as strong as Cyno. They literally have the same effect😂
They are going to add more cards, I’ve been having a bug that shows me kokomi’s actions before switching back to my deck
Keqing's kinda slept on ngl
I've been running Noelle in my deck and if you get the cards she needs she takes out the entire other team. she needs minty meats at the very least so you burst, eat the food and then you constantly normal attack. And if you have gamblers on her, or have set up paimon in advance it just WIPES. Obviously better if you have the greatsword on her, but it's not a win condition.
Finally a Genshin tierlist that I will actually care about
Noelle can be a decent tank + damage dealer. If you use Enduring Rock (1 geo die) with her talent card (3 geo dice) You do 1 damage + get 5 shield + Normal attack now heals 1 hp to each character once per round! Also, her shield transfers as well. For Damage after you use her burst (active after only 2 energy). Pair it with Wolf's gravestone and you'll do 4-5 damage with burst and they next normal attack only takes 2 random die and will do 5-6 damage depending on if they are less than 6 hp. The increase normal attacks last 2 rounds and hits can also crystalize with adds 1 shield. Also, if you pair Noelle with Gravestone + Gambler's + Minty Meat Rolls you can wipe out an entire team in a single round. Hit me up and I'll play a Noelle deck against you.
This clearly is before the rise of those Noelle sweeping decks
Tcg yoimiya is who your boyfriend tells you not to worry about
idk about that diluc analysis because when i play ganyu/oceanid boss (whatever she's called) i go for a full cryo/hydro (depending who i'm playing) and go for their 5 skills until they die then my diluc comes and 1 shots them all because i will 90% of the time get turn priority then i get either vaporize or melt and 1 shot every remaining character